Google’s motto is “Don’t be evil” and “Do the right thing” and yet they profit off child exploitation. It’s the parent company of the largest online advertising network, Google Adsense. According to Adsense Terms of Service (TOS), simply linking to pornography is a violation…that is unless a website has enough traffic to make it worthwhile for Google.
Manga & anime (Japanese comics and cartoons) frequently involve characters of questionable age in sexual situations but there’s nothing ambiguous about the genres known as Lolicon and Shotacon, in which prepubescent girls and boys are blatantly sexualized or even abused. While no actual children are involved, these images are still considered illegal under the United States’ Protect Act and the UK’s Coroners and Justice Act.
Google Adsense allows manga websites hosting the following lolicon titles:
Dance in the Vampire Bund
A prepubescent vampire in love with a 17-year-old werewolf (child nudity in both manga & anime).
Kodomo No Jikan
A 3rd grader’s stepfather wants to marry her but she wants to be with her teacher (child nudity, masturbation, molestation in both manga & anime).
Omamori Himari
A demon hunter with a harem of female demons, including a prepubescent girl who takes her clothes off and dry humps the main character to heal him in episode 5 (nudity is censored but the orgasmic moaning is not).
Chu-Bra!!
Middle school children start an underwear club (child nudity and fondling in both manga & anime).
Google Adsense sucks
It’s not really surprising that Google is advertising on these manga websites considering they host the same content. Dance in the Vampire Bund is hosted on YouTube, which is owned by Google.
Google Adsense certainly isn’t the only advertising network sponsoring lolicon but it is the most respected…and the most hypocritical.
“If your site has content which you wouldn’t be comfortable viewing at work or with family members around, then it probably isn’t an appropriate site for Google ads,” states the policy on adult content.
These aren’t small websites flying under the radar. Many of the sites rank in the Top 1000 Adsense sites (http://serversiders.com/toplist/adsense) such as Animextremist.com (#237), Mangaupdates.com (#549), Mangatoshokan.com (#833), and Foroanime.com (#900). It’s not hidden content either. In fact, it’s openly listed under the aforementioned lolicon and shotacon genres. These sites even advertise themselves with Google Adwords using specific lolicon titles like “Kodomo No Jikan” as keywords. In other words, there’s no plausible deniability. Google had no response when notified about the problem by L7 World.
Advertisers’ Responses:
Most of the ads are from the University of San Francisco Online (usanfranonline.com) & PRweb.com which don’t seem to care where their ads appear in general. However, there are many more established organizations that you’d think would keep better track of where their advertising dollars are going such as: AT&T, Verizon, Disney, All State, Ace, Circuit City, Gillette, Frito Lay, American Express, ESPN and even the NATIONAL GUARD! But while Google tried to keep its dirty little secret, the advertisers quickly responded.
Gillette:
We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Whether it’s websites or television programs, if it doesn’t fit our criteria for family-friendly viewing, we’re not sure why our ad would appear. We specifically request ads for our products not be aired during controversial programs, and I’m sharing your message with our sponsorship team. You can be sure we’ll continue to examine our sponsorship principles and actions.
Thanks again for letting us know.
Janet
Gillette Team
Aeria Games
Thank you for letting us know of this situation. We are writing back to
let you know that your message has been sent to the following
departments:Management (Because we want them to know about a problem this serious)
Marketing (So that they can look into ways to resolve this)
Network Operations (So that they can look into ways that we can block
this on our end)We can not know how this will be resolved, but from past experience, we
can say that it will most likely be complicated.We here at Aeria Games would like to maintain a family friendly
enviornmment, and despite allowing some adult (18+) content, we do not
support, condone, or want to be assocaited in any way with child
pornography. We would like to thank you for doing your part in make our
site (and the world in general) a better place.Team Aeria
Frito-Lay
Thank you for writing to us. We appreciate your email regarding this sensitive concern. We have forwarded your note to our legal and advertising groups for further review/investigation. Frito-Lay is a family friendly company and would never intentionally advertise in conjunction with such inappropriate businesses. We will be taking steps to ensure similar actions do not take place in the future.
Tina
Frito-Lay Consumer Affairs
Optimum
Thank you for your recent inquiry. We have escalated this issue to the proper department for investigation. Thank you for bringing our attention to this matter.
Sharon
Cablevision – Shared Services
Conclusion:
Contrary to comments otherwise, nowhere does this article call for a manga ban. It relates only to websites being allowed to violate Google Adsense TOS simply because they’re profitable. The same can be said for about risque websites like Gawker.com & PerezHilton.com. Such sites skirt the rules not just because of their profitability but because many advertisers don’t mind being displayed on a “mature website.” In the end, it shouldn’t come down to an arbitrarily enforced TOS but what advertisers want. And the advertisers have spoken. The manga websites have voluntarily taken down inappropriate content to comply with TOS. Those that haven’t simply can’t use Adsense.
Comments have been closed due to abuse. Most were about censorship, which isn’t the case. Adult manga will continue to be created and shared on manga websites, which is piracy and a whole nother can of worms.
I appreciate your opinion, and I believe child abuse is wrong, but this article had some negative repercussions for me. I don’t read shota or loli, and I don’t like it, but I do read yaoi, yuri, shoujo ai, and shonen ai. Partly because of this article, even those things have been removed. You keep saying how the article’s about advertising, but you should have been more specific. People are taking it the wrong way for a reason, and as a result of your poorly communicated message, there is no removal of google advertising, only more censorship of harmless material. Please be more careful when you act out. It may seem insignificant to you, but it’s important to other people, and I have to say that even if it sounds stupid, some of the most moving stories I’ve read have been about same couples. I appreciate the cause, but I don’t appreciate what you’ve done. I guess all I can say is ‘Thanks a lot.’
Oh, and while we’re at it, you reviewed Kodomo no Jikan and liked it? All I can say is lol.
Yep, it’s hilarious and has a good story, but unfortunately there’s no good story exemption in Google’s TOS.
Well thank you first and far most for bringing about Big Brother and reciving your 15 min of fame in one swoop. Due to your gailant efforts many of the sites you have listed have been “Censored”. “I’m anti-censorship. Article has nothing to with censorship or banning, it’s about Google advertising.” You have achieve the exact oppsite of your gold….When you look back on your cursade hope you relize that your good deeds have punish many in the freedom of speech.
Haven’t done anything to freedom of speech. For millionth + time no manga has been banned, just removed for sites with adsense so you know what? Go to a website without adsense. Better yet go directly to scanlators!
Good that you aren’t providing ads for wikipedia. You would have remove them.
vide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hatch,_Evelyn_%28Lewis_Carroll,_29.07.1879%29.jpg
And it’s even a photo! Not a drawing.. No extremity is good dear whoever-is-in-charge-of-it, I hope it won’t lead any further.
Again not my rules but to Google that probably would break TOS, unless it was on perez hilton’s blog.
>> Sites with Google ads may not include or link to:
Pornography, adult or mature content Violent content Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organisation Excessive profanity Hacking/cracking content Gambling or casino-related content Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia content Sales of beer or hard alcohol Sales of tobacco or tobacco-related products Sales of prescription drugs Sales of weapons or ammunition (e.g. firearms, firearm components, fighting knives, stun guns) Sales of products that are replicas or imitations of designer goods Sales or distribution of coursework or student essays Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites or reading emails Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity or infringes on the legal rights of others
by singling out manga which is an Asian cultural item might mean that this site would also fall under that category. (racial intolerance)
Saying certain manga websites violate TOS has nothing to do with race.
i get ur point about the child nudity content. but then the genre lolicon for websites like mangafox onemanga and so on doesn’t mean child porn it just meant that in the story one or more of the main character is a child. and also why did mangaupdates is enlisted there??
its not like manga updates hosted any manga its just like an online library for manga fans, its a community for god sake.
its just listed the genre and the content.
Because and linking to porn is again TOS (first sentence in article).
I can understand why you listed some of the other sites. But seriously, Mangaupdates? That is is just a place to reference and look up the status of different series. Shotacon and lolicon is just two of the many dozens of category it’s listed by.
It’s similar to how wikipedia has pages dedicated to explaining what lolicon and shotacon is (plus the dozen or so different terms for sex). And I don’t see you putting wikipedia on that list of yours…
Wiki doesn’t use Google ads.
Yes, lolicon and shotacon are bad.
But what you are doing to everyone who enjoy other kind of mature manga is bas.
I am 26 years old and i have the right to read mature manga. Josei, Yuri, Yaoi, Ecchi.
Because of your little witch hunt, most of the web site where we can find theses manga are taking them off of there web site.
It is the responsability of the parent to know what there childrens are reading or watching on the internet.
If you want to hurt google, hurt google.
If you want to ask the website that host lolicon and shotacon not to host them. Do it.
But dont hurt everything and everyone else on the way… :o(
Caro
*Sorry for all the mistakes i probably make while writing… English is not my first language.
Ok, so I get the you don’t want Google to be putting up adds in places that the companies wouldn’t appreciate, I get that. I also get that you want all people to have to follow the rules. But for all your talk about not wanting censorship, you do realize that was the ultimate end of all this right? These websites you have pointed out have been stripped of absolutely all content that can be referred to as ‘mature’, all because of this one post. Manga and Anime that simply had some questionable content thrown into a great story line are no longer available for me to access because of all of this, and they have all been censored out. Did you honestly expect anything different?
When you posted this, Google was forced to take notice, but they don’t really care. They simply issued out a warning, and it was the website owners that had to scramble to please them. You have caused innumerable problems for what amounts to a fractional inconvenience. Way to go and thanks a lot.
I am curious as to why you only chose to use anime/manga sites? There are many more sites out there that have cartooned/painted children in sexual situations that are even more realistic than the art in anime/manga.
Also, I am aware that you did not mean for this article to censor anything, etc, but it seems to have had the opposite affect entirely. Many of the sites you listed were trolled by people that read this article, and many of the sites have reduced their content, which reduced traffic. The ads are still very much the same, and there are even new ones because some of those sites listed above are now 100% “family friendly”. So, when the sites get the courage to start re-adding the removed content, the issue will have just be worse.
I am not criticizing you, as I am completely aware of what your goals were and where you were coming from when you wrote this article, but I do think there is a better why to have gone about solving this issue.
I think the problem itself lies with Google for not following their own TOS. Or at least, that’s how you made the article sound. The way you wrote the article made it seem like you were blaming anime/manga websites. That is why people are having such a huge problem with your article. If you want something done, I would recommend getting a group of people together to essentially spam Google to get their attention, or the attention of the media, to alert the public on Google’s hypocrisy, since that was what you were aiming for.
If I was wrong in any way, I apologize – that is just what I thought based on your article and some of the comments.
Like I’ve said people have long complained about the hypocrisy using non-manga examples. Google search “perezhilton adsense” Unfortunately Google doesn’t care if they make enough money, that’s great for Perez Hilton, MangaFox, etc. but everyone else gets screwed is the problem. You either enforce a TOS or you don’t.
Wow US is turning into Australia… I think at least it was Australia who censored everything online. Yaay.
But yeah, isn’t it a bit too late for banning this stuff?
No one’s banning anything.
Obviously not?
http://forums.mangafox.com/showthread.php?t=164426
I think you just screwed a site over for all eternity? Thanks.
NOPE. They screwed themselves by breaking TOS.
No one is banning? Google Ads just told Manga Fox to remove anything adult or porn related content in the site. Thus my manga source is getting rid of some of my favorite manga just cause they have a ‘mature theme’
That’s not banning. It’s a voluntarily removal to keep google ads. Is cartoon network banning lolicon? No they choose not show it.
Er, that’s China, but… no one’s really banning anything, but some sites are getting rid of those materials so as not to lose their Ad’s *rolls eyes at stupidity of it all*
I understand your idea behind the article.
But i would like to know what you wanted the article to achieve ??
i am sure for someone clever enough to find a way to attack google’s hypocrisy thru their sponsors directly, u ought to have had some idea atleast that google aren’t going to do anything big about it, its gotta be the websites you have mentioned here. from the websites you have mentioned, its clear you couldn’t have found so many links if you do not yourself read manga online avidly, So i come to the why?
what did you want your article to achieve?
P.S – i am not criticizing the article here, i am simply curious.
Equality among adsense members, and while I wouldn’t they I’ve accomplished that, we’re one step closer.
…What does your response mean?
“and while I wouldn’t they I’ve accomplished that”
Did you mean “say” instead of “they”?
And what do you mean by “equality”? Are you protesting unfair ad revenue of sites who are non compliant to Google TOS? Or are you protesting Google’s lack of stringent screening of its ad subsidiaries/locations?
I’m just not clear as to what the intent of your article is except as a rallying point for censorship.
Cheers!
Just like I said in first sentence, it’s unfair that TOS doesn’t get enforce if your website has enough traffic. I think Google should allow any website so long as it is illegal, but if they’re gonna screw the little guys they better do the same to the big guys.
i get ur point but i still loled
google and other advertising companies are simply fulfilling market needs (ppl needs)
ppl are lookin for info and thats what they get also sites like Mangaupdates.com are simply gathering info and thats all u can find there so whats wrong with that?
not to mention u re saying u re against censorship but thats what u re askin for so whos hypocrite here
ragards
Never asked for anything to be censored just not sponsored by google as its against TOS.
You do realize that google dropped mangaupdates.com.
What you need to realize is that manga updates is not a hentai site!
Mangaupdates is a site that tells people when a manga chapter is out.
It does not provide the manga iself on the website.
I personally do not care about lolicon or shotocon,all of the sites that have the manga on the site to actually read can do what they want.
Insulting a legitamate INFORMATION SITE will not help anyone.If you dont want children to see a 13 year old in a towel then you might as well tell them not to read manga at all(half the manga has that stuff) and tell said childs sister to only take baths when the child not inside.
Do you get what i mean?
Manga is MANGA as long as it exist its going to have something you dont like in it.
Not only are this debate pathetic it’s pointless.
Another person who complains about something they didn’t read.
just LINKING even to a SEPARATE site with pornographic material in against Google’s TOS.
Aren’t you gonna update your article, Mark Putnam? Most of the manga communities already removed lolicon/shotacon/mature manga/anime. If you gonna post something to complaint, you better take responsibility and removed sites which no longer have those contents. Don’t just write one article and leave it like that, that’s irresponsible=.= And i cant read most mangas already as we speak.
Why can’t you read manga, did your glasses fall off?
My last update will probably be closing comments (soon)
Well, first of all, Most manga is not translated in our countries and, perhaps, never will be.
Now that most of them are gone, It IS a problem for us.
We enjoyed reading some stories.
I’m not a big fan of shota and loli, But I am a yaoi and yuri fan.
But, Since those categories have also been removed, I am displeased.
I am not blaming you for the loss of the yaoi and yuri categories, I am just wondering WHY they would remove them if they are just representations of homosexual couples?
Because any Sexual content is against Google’s TOS. Doesn’t matter if it’s straight or gay, adult or child, real or drawn.
I forgot to add something: I am curious as to if all this is related to a hentai site (which I won’t mention by name) also removing related content, because they didn’t use Google AdSense, as well as a scanlation group being removed from Google’s search results, as this would appear not to have anything to do with their ToS.
Just curious, and thanks for your time.
I sympathize with your views for a few reasons, which I think I’m going to email you about, as I don’t want it to be seen here.
However, I have a hard time understanding your motivation for a couple of reasons:
1) Other than general hatred of Google for other reasons (which is certainly justified), what’s the point in reporting something that breaks their ToS if you don’t have moral opposition to said content? It seems kind of pointless, if you ask me.
2) Isn’t pulling ads for such sites because Google is afraid of a moral backlash against itself being greedy and selfishly looking out for their own interests in the same way permitting such sites because they are popular and good business is? How does this change Google’s hypocrisy any? It seems to only make them hypocritical in a slightly different way. And how does it even mean anything if Google is changing this out of fear rather than wanting to actually be un-hypocritical / greedy?
Why oh why do you have to be so busybody about Japanese drawing? You yourself say it is not an actual thing, that it is just a drawing. How can drawing = real pornography?? Get a life=.= Do you know you cause trouble for the above listed websites. Who do you think we are?? We would not go to those sites if it does have actual pornography=.= but it doesn’t ok!
doesn’t matter if it’s real. ANY sexual content is again Google TOS.
This makes me so angry that I can’t even sleep, so I’m going to post another post on here.
Even if all those sites are technically in violation of the TOS, why does it matter? Those are just normal people trying to host a site. Sites like that cost tons of money, and you’re making trouble for them by trying to get them all blacklisted.. most of which just get screwed over out of the blue one day and have to delete half their site.
And what does this accomplish? Are you that concerned over AT&T and All State’s good name? Are you just doing this because you’re bored and want attention? I really want to know what you’re PERSONAL reason is for all of this.
Already said real reason. not fair that some websites don’t have to follow the rules.
um… isn’t the vampire from bund like… hundreds of years old and is really a full grown woman?
I read Kodomo no Jikan. I have kids. I might want to go to Disney world.
Kodomo no Jikan isn’t porn.. it’s a Seinen manga intended for people 18-35. It’s about how bad parenting can screw people up in different ways, and each character represents a different archtype of bad parenting. One of the character’s, Rin, starts masturbating because it’s explained that children who are alone a lot do it more often. Are you saying that people who read that don’t deserve to get ads? Am I not good enough for them?
You taking that series out of context like that kind of pisses me off.
Even if it was porn though, what does this have to do with adsense? Oh yeah, nothing. People who watch porn are just as likely to click on ads as anyone else.. you think only “kid appropriate sites” should have ads? You are just trying to use Google in your personal crusade against virtual child porn by having them blacklist all the sites that may contain it.
Ok so I probably should’ve read it more before I posted that second paragraph, I guess adsense can’t be on porn sites.
Just read the first paragraph then! It’s not porn!
Also I wonder what your personal reason is for doing this? You’re causing a lot of sites to basically get shut down because of this.. mangaupdates just lost its adsense even though it’s a legitimate database site.. they’re probably going to either have to start asking for donations or something.. what a pain in the ass over nothing.
as I said even linking to pornographic content is against google’s TOS
You have it backwards. I just used lolicon in my crusade against google.
Mina Ţepeş of Dance in the Vampire Bund is at least 20. She was taking care of Akira when he is ~3.
I am well aware that you are indeed a fan of manga and don’t want censorship. The questions that I do have are these. Most of these sites have warnings prior to the reading of the comic, is there something more that the site could have done to prevent the removal of said comics? Should they have told Google that like all comics they cover a gambit of things? Or were they right in thinking that because it was comics and nothing more that they were right in showing them?
Nope having warnings, even having adult content in different sections is against Google TOS. Simply linking to a separate website with no affiliation that has adult content is against TOS.
“First of all, I don’t have a problem with opposing opinions so long as they more than just curse words with fake emails. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to moderate them sooner because I’ve been sick (which I sure some of you will be glad to here).
Secondly, the point of the article is not that lolicon should be banned or that anyone who reads it should be put in jail. The point (which I stated in the beginning) is the hypocrisy in allowing sites with material that clearly violates Google’s TOS (or worse) simply because they’re profitable. I could have written the same article about Google partnering with websites like Gawker.com & PerezHilton.com, which have adult pornographic material, but that has already been pointed out by many already to no avail. But I bet I got their attention now.”
hypocrisy? no one cares about Google’s hypocrisy, even if we might be kinda annoyedd with it, cause it didn’t affect us manga readers in the first place. that is hardly a reason to write such an article. despite what you’re claiming in the article, the results of your actions have proved otherwise. You know, you might like to consider thinking of all the implications and consequences your article has, of which does not even affect you, but rather faithful manga readers. i can’t even believe you do watch or read manga/anime as you say. if so, you have no concern for your fellow manga/anime fans. with the results of your article, you have just angered an international community of manga lovers (i don’t even read shotacon/lollicon or whatever, but my mature manga is screwed now because of you.) with at least a population of a million, no exaggeration. and p.s. my email isn’t fake.
The only consequence are those of breaking Googles TOS, which was done be the website in question not me.
I am extremely disappointed to find this encouragement of censorship. Censorship is the parent’s responsibility and not that of any government, company, etc. While you did not personally inconvenience the manga-reading community, your actions are directly responsible for the result. By contributing to the reduction of good parenting, you are hurting our society as a whole. This not to say that Google is beyond reproach (As I had always assumed that google was merely a play on the ogle which in itself has a sexual connotation.) You may not have destroyed the village but you dropped the pebble at the top of the mountain.
While i applaud your use of your right to free speech, the result was a loss of free speech; as such you have lost the moral high ground (from which you dropped the pebble)
I’m anti-censorship. Article has nothing to with censorship or banning, it’s about Google advertising.
you know mangafox added it own sections so people can BLOCK that type of manga, right? you obviously don’t use it at all, or you would see that.
blocking is not an exception to Google’s TOS.
Dear GOOGLE,
I think you are totally right in this case! But it’s not only manga, also books, films, and things like sculptures have to be removed!
I found tons of sites via google with google ads with the story of Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare on it, and I just find it apalling something like that is allowed. I even think it should be banned. You should know that in that story a 13 year old girl has sex with an older guy.
Also think of sculptures and other art that might have a sexual message with them.
Also, things that have to do with movies/books as Lolita, or brokeback mountain. You should know there is a sex scene with two guys having sex. And there are clips of it on YouTube! I think it’s sick and something needs to be done. I wish the police knew who had drawings or thoughts of little girls so they could arrest them by that. A free America is bullshit, we can all see it doens’t work. Our stinking capitalism and freedom! Things like this happen because of it! Manga, from Japan, Gay sex free for our eyes on the internet! (Internet should be fully censored, if you ask me) What’s next, a black president? Oh, wait, we aready have got one.
Anyways,
I’m really happy finding people who think the same as me, keep up the good work!
…they were obviously being sarcastic.
Since you didn’t get it, thought I’d point it out for you. That post was satirical. Take a pill, man.
S/he said that they should censor Romeo and Juliet.. Which is a book that is read in all High schools in the US (I believe) and is generally a treasured novel.. And they chose the username of another well known book so they clearly like literature and probably appreciate Romeo and Juliet.. I think it can be clearly seen that everything in his/her post was sarcastic..
I just wanted to clear that misunderstanding up..
Yes, of course. Because the only reason I would read/watch mature manga/anime is because I want the sex. :|
It’s not because maybe I find the plot line and characters interesting. No, that couldn’t possibly be it.
I fail to understand why you are targeting manga/anime sites as opposed to, you know, ACTUAL PORN.
Because it’s okay to let the kiddies see real people banging each other, but God forbid they see some mature 2D artwork!
As someone who has been of legal age to view such content for a few years, I am not amused by this one bit.
Just to make another point, lolicon/shotacon and child porn are not the same thing, because they do not involve actual children. While I can’t say that I personally am into lolicon, I don’t believe that it should be restricted like this.
Also, you stated that you could have targeted sites with real pornographic content, yet the fact remains that you DIDN’T. I would think that sites like that would be a cause for more concern than a bunch of manga. But that’s just my opinion.
I am open to arguments, so feel free to reply.
I didn’t write about real pornographic that use adsense, because it’s already been done and advertisers don’t care so long as they making money and it isn’t controversial.
I find this reslly upseting,really im 14 and i read this stuff (not sota are loli)its obviously fake its not gonna kill anybody.It must suck for scanlators who spent time putting these comics up for people to READ.And subbers who worked hard to sub animes most people arent gonna be able to watch.I may not be an adult an all but seriously this was a really stupid thing to do.
It doesn’t affect scanlators at all, it affects large websites that host scans and only if they use adsense.
I would like to know why you specifically focused on Anime/Manga. And where did you get the idea that “Manga & anime (Japanese comics and cartoons) frequently involve characters of questionable age in sexual situations.” It’s actually the opposite. There are more non-pornographic series than there are pornographic. In short, cite your sources, otherwise, you have no credibility.
um how bout all anime?
most anime revolve around high school age kids or younger.
regardless, read what you quoted, “frequently”
Actually, you just look like a manga detractor… You have no idea how many manga fans hate you now, because not only shotacon and lolicon were banned from the websites, but also yaoi, yuri, and a lot of other manga wich have nothing to do with that…
If your problem is really google (it seems it is more manga sites), do your business with google, please.
That’s exactly what I did.
Why don’t you ask for a ban of Interview With The Vampire next?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110148/parentalguide
There is a confusing relationship between Louis and Claudia. We hear that their relationship is like that of a son and daughter, but Claudia continuously calls Louis ‘My Love’. In a later seen, she nearly kisses him on the lips, but they are interrupted before they make contact. What makes this scene disturbing is that Claudia appears to be a young child, but she has a mature adult mind (because of being a vampire, she does not age).
http://www.mania.com/vampire-bund-edits-draw-reaction_article_121081.html
But stepping back again from a somewhat related side issue: Dance in the Vampire Bund features no sex. Mina, sensual and sexual as she may be in scenes such as the lotion, is hundreds of years old in the show and does not get involved in anything involving actual sex.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-10/funimation-comments-further-on-vampire-bund-edits
Two vampire stories, both with similar situations since they both are adults in the bodies of children.
Nobody’s banning anything genius, least of of all me.
You know it’s really sad when someone like you writes an article and starts bashing something you don’t understand and then making it out to be labeled ‘Child Porn’. I think what’s even sadder is the fact that you went and read some of those manga’s yourself.
Yes Shotacon and Lolicon are about children. And yes some of the content is very questionable. What your missing is that it’s not a real child involved. Japan has very harsh laws when it comes to Child Porn and the fact that this is sold in Japan should click in your mind that it’s a work of fiction. So now you’ve started a witch hunt and you’ve gotten a lot of good series labeled and forced to be taken down because site’s like mangafox rely on google’s ads to keep the pages up. But really ask yourself this, who in the hell was it hurting? A 5yr kid see’s more violence on tv and hears it in song lyrics on the radio. But again who was it hurting? Was it maybe hurting you?
And just so you know; because I am sure you did your homework and you researched about what you were writing about before you wrote this article; you are aware that some of the manga’s and anime’s that are now labeled and removed from these site’s because of the content of the story being ‘mature’ are licensed and sold in the US. As well as in other countries. But I guess maybe you didn’t.
The real issue is you wrote this to get attention. You wrote something that would and set out on a witch hunt that would only effect the people who like to manga and anime. You only focused on the manga’s that had a Sexual nature and not on series like Naruto which is overtly violent and marketed towards children.
Now me personally I won’t read something that involves little kids, I find it gross. But when the story involves teenagers 16 and older I see no issues. Because let’s face it thats what a high school drama entails and we have tv shows in the US that focus on the same kind plots where a 5yr can watch it.
So thank you for getting people worked up over something that will only really effect the people that like to read manga and watch anime. And when this starts to effect the authors in Japan that us google ads on their sites I hope they contact you about the legal ramifications and money loss you will cause them.
Yes they’re going to sue me over exposing that they are breaking Google’s TOS.
real good point
P.S
It really doesn’t matter whether you MEANT to target lolicon or not. The fact of the matter is that by putting out this article, you have made major ripples and have affected a much wider range of people than you intended and yes, they are pissed off(i know I certainly am). Forgive my EXTREME rudeness in my first comment and allow me to clarify my point(i am definitely much calmer now but still ticked off).
SO what if google sponsers sites that violate their TOS? Out of all their violations you really picked the dumbest one to expose. MANGA/ANime is HARDLY where you need to go if you RAELLY wanna expose google for what hypocrites they are. What you’ve just acomplished is more damn restrictions to what people can do on the net. And to be honest, no matter how i look at it, it’s still very infuriating! You’ve suceeded in getting their attention but i very much doubt it will go the way you hope. I can tell you right now you’re not very popular. Google is a GIANT!!!! There are very few companies on the net now that aren’t sponsered by google. Google is competing with APPLE for heavens sake. Do you really think that by getting them to ban sies with lolicon or mature content you’ve accomplished much? Seriously! I be laughing if what you did didn’t affect me in the most annoying way. You’ve barely even exposed them. Not to mention the fact that since you focused so much on Manga sites you completely dissolved your message. I think you really need to re-evaluate what you a re trying to achieve and if you really want to be a thorn in google’s side, manga is NOT the way to go.
I would just like to add my opinion here as well. I’ve already replied to the comments on here and what is happening is making me very angry. And I fully intend to do something about it.
Just because this one person thinks they can control the internet? They are wrong.
I will be sending letters to all of these companies though. And I would encourage others to do the same.
What we need isn’t more hatred/intolerance. What we need is for google and these other companies to simply change their TOS. You’re just looking at it from the wrong angle, people. Rest assured, I’ll get something done about this.
People like this think they can ruin everything for everyone else. But you know what? They’re wrong.
Not trying nor have I ruined anything for anyone. As I’ve already pointed out nothing has banned, just removed for sites that use adsense in other words all you do is go to a website that doesn’t use adsense to download or read.
as for getting google to change its TOS, so long as it’s pplied equally to ALL websites, more power to you.
While I think you are over exaggerating things a little bit, I do believe that sites with less than minimum protection towards minors should not host such contents.
this is stupid..on mangafox they ALWAYS announce when it has something that is only for adult’s and it’s not for 18 and younger. i read the mature and adult mangas not because of the nutity but they have great story lines.
Announcing a comic is for adults only is not an exception of to Google’s TOS.
Get rid of A-Cups next.
They are. Wrote an article about it =)
i find this SERIOUSLY ODD why whould you make such harmful article in so many ways if you wrote this ? http://l7world.com/2008/02/kodomo-no-jikan-anime-manga-review.html
there you are saying that the anime/manga worths a look? What the hell??? this was posted on 2008, and 2 years after you do this thing? what’s wrong with you?
Yep. But most people are too dumb to actually read the article they’re complaining about let alone look at the site and see I read and watch anime and manga, and that I’m against censorship. As I’ve pointed out over and over in the comments – ACTUALLY read the article! There are no personal attacks. I don’t caller readers of such material pedophiles or suggest any real life crime is being encouraged.
The only point of the article is that ANY sexual content is against Google TOS.
What I don’t understand is why did you only target Manga sites? If you wanted to bring Google’s wrong doings to light why not also comment on other sites across the internet that have questionable material that goes against their policies. I’m sure there’s plenty of sites that link to other kinds of so called child pornography by selling books, pictures or movies with questionable content. And why only highlight the child issue why not point out other sites with violations such as violent content, alcohol use and other issue that violate Google’s adsense policies? What did you accomplish by going after only Manga and anime site? Google is not going to change their policies and have clamped down on these sites that need the revenue to keep running. Of course they are going to immediately volunteer to take the items in question off their site. The world is run with money and the only people who are going to suffer from this are us the readers and fans of these sites.
Don’t tempt him.
Here you can read the acts you mention in this article about laws here the links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2009/ukpga_20090025_en_5
Its STATED that regarding virtual images, they establish the requirement of showing obscenity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene)
NONE of the pictures above have obcenity in them. or worse as you state (prepubescent girls and boys are blatantly sexualized) where is the image of that please?? the images you are showing are by no means illegal.
Obscenity is whatever a judge or jury says it is, and most would say a picture of a child masturbating in the shower in obscene.
But it doesn’t matter if it’s obscene, adult porn, child porn, fictional or non-fictional – ANYTHING sexual is against Google TOS. which for the millionth and 1 time is the point of the article.
I have been going through this article for a couple days now and I feel like it has accomplished little other than upset the online community. I do not believe that Mark did not know what would happen if he posted an article like this. what he has done is effectively try to ban a subset of manga and anime. mind you these anime and manga can still be found online but he has made it a lot harder. secondly, the article’s title is outright false since according to US Federal and state laws these are not considered pornography though they could be considered obscene. In addition lolicon is not really porn. well you got your 2 seconds of fame. good for you. どうにも解らんね法律が解らない人々はこんなもんかい、ま良いっか
Mark putnam.
google may have been in the wroung but what you have done is not right either. Instead of taking a general view on your topic you stated loicon and shotacon almost exclusively in your post. This has caused us who read manga a large and troublesome inconvience. manga under pg 13 is mostly childlike and has no feel of romance/horror ect ect, and now we are unable to read or fav manga’s cause of your post. Shotocon and lolicon are used in pornagraphic context sometimes but they are far from the worst (guru springs to mind and gang rape) and if you had had read dance in the vampire bund you would have found out she has lived far longer than the 17 year old earthclan boy. Also most lolicon and shota are inocent love stories and the imagery is not used to cause arousal but simply there as fanservice or to keep with the mangaka’s style of drawing.
If you had made your view on google less exclusive on these too genres of manga you would not have become a bad guy.
we are not mad at for your post but we are mad that you have caused an entire commuity of people to be unable to enjoy the pleasure of good manga.
No the ones who “caused an entire commuity of people to be unable to enjoy the pleasure of good manga” are those websites who took it down VOLUNTARILY rather than seeking advertising money elsewhere.
I AM SO F-ING PISSED RIGHT NOW. NOW HOW DID THESE PPL CHOSE TO TAKE THIS OFF THE SITES??? OH, BY VIEWING IT THEMSELVES…
*pissed*
Luckily I am well-educated, it helps me to refrain from actually insulting anyone. I am royally pissed right now.
Even though there seem to be people who accept your “I didn’t want anything to get banned”-excuse, I just can’t accept it. I mean, honestly, even a 5 years old child is being told to think about the consequences of his/her actions, despite the goal they wanted to achieve. What did you think would happen after writing that article and even going as far as contacting the companies directly? You forced them to take action, you intentionally wrote this article and did what you did to make them… do what? I’m asking myself right now what you wanted to accomplish. Your actions don’t make sense to me at all.
There are so many countries which allow television channels to air pornographic contents after 22 p.m. and there are so many children who own their own TV in their rooms and the same TV channels air ads from online games that also advertise on “family-friendly” sites. Isn’t that worth complaining and writing an article about? What’s your goal? It seems to me you don’t even care about children being able to view mature contents or about “child pornography” being watched. You only care about Google’s TOS and whatever.
But why are you targeting anime and manga? What does it change? What have you REALLY accomplished now?
A lot of people ALL AROUND THE GLOBE are now sitting in front of their PCs, unable to read the manga or watch the anime they want to read/watch.
Thanks to you there are now ADULTS from all over the world, people older than 18 and 21 and even 30, 40 or (who knows?) 50 years, who are discriminated and restricted in their freedom.
And the one thing that’s really making me be pissed off is that you’re not even affected by all of that. You wrote an article and got the world to notice omo. You got Google and all kind of other companies to bow down to you. You’ll be able to go to bed tonight, reading a book, maybe watching a nice porn movie (ONLINE! on a site that even kids can easily have access to) before going to sleep. But I, I can’t even read my favourite kind of books before going to bed tonight. And I wouldn’t complain about it if I really was a Lolicon or Shotacon fan, but I don’t even like these genres. But thanks to a certain someone I don’t have access to the other manga out there on my favourite manga sites which are labeled “mature”, due to whatever reason.
I really hope you regret your actions because my desire to personally make sure you regret them is really strong right now. And I don’t mean to threaten anyone (I’m not much of a threat anyway, I guess) but I really need to express my anger right now because otherwise I’ll never get over it.
“He is lifeless that is faultless.” – with that saying at the back of my mind: Get well soon. Oh, and congratulations, I, too, bet you got their attention now.
I agree why go as far as contacting the advertising companies instead of directly contacting Google about the violations. The problem might have been handled differently if Google wasn’t getting pressure to act from the advertisers. The sites in question and Google might have had time to come to some kind of compromise to get rid of the shotacon or lolicon that really violate the policy instead of banning all mature subjects across the board.
I totally and completely agree with you right now. The only reason a person would ever write something like this is to get anime and manga removed from the internet because they have something against it. That’s the ONLY logical reason for doing something like this.
Some people don’t get off from porn. They get off from watching other people suffer.
I think I will write an article urging google to CHANGE their TOS. And I strongly encourage that others do so, as well.
If adults don’t want children viewing adult things, they can put a block on their child’s computer so they cannot access stuff like that. Or how about this? WATCH your kids, keep an eye on them instead of expecting the world to do it for you, for a change! And talk to them about stuff like that. Because you can’t hide them from it forever.
I’m 23 years old, and I am angry that a grown ADULT cannot watch anime/manga if they want to. What is the world coming to???
Nope. I don’t believe in censorship.
I totally agree with you too. What the heck is this world coming to?? People say all these things they’re doing is to create a bettter world when ACTUALLY all their doing is restricting what you can do even more? What kind of world are we going into?? Man this really pisses me off. I really think people like this just need to mind their own damn business and stop trying to controll others. Because in a sense that’s EXACTLY what this article has accomplished! COntrolling what we can and cannot do EVEN MORE! As if there weren’t already so many restrictions. SO thank you SOOOO much!!
welcome
HI! I just wanted to say that i understand that you can say all thias about shotacon an lolicon…but please yaoi? common it’ about homosexual relationsships. An yeah their are some kinky scenes. but mangafox for example warn that the manga containes scenes that are not suited for minors. and sorry but I’m 21, In my country I’m already adult with 18, I read yaoi because i don’t like heterosexual mangas and now that you wrote this i can’t read my favorite stuff. sure its a problem with shotacon an lolicon i agree that its not normal. but at the same time you took many adults the right to read. I think it would be good if that would be maybe in a part with age verification, i mean for smut, yaoi and yuri. And just to tell you i don’t think that manga/ anime is the biggest problem here…its art, every normal personb ( and i mean also minors.. not children but teens )can see that its fake, fiction, drawings and draw a line between fantasy drawings and real life.
Its just so sad how people think that you have to control every body else and how sad it is not to make a difference between real problems (shotacon and lolicon and real porn sites with real life people) and invented problems with manga anime. sure a lot of people dont understand why anime and manga are fun, but please let it be the problem of real fans.
Well, I’m not surprised by all the negative feedback this has gotten but for once I don’t mind seeing it. I’m not sure whether you just didn’t think through what you were trying to accomplish well enough or whether you were targetting these anime and manga communities in the first place. It’s obvious with just a little extra thought to the matter that google doesn’t need the money generated from their ads on these few sites – they make bigger bucks elsewhere and if these sites were to give them a bad image, obviously they would cut them off immediately.
On the flip side, the anime and manga sites need the money they get from google advertising and can’t otherwise function. This article – an obvious attempt to stir things up right from the title onwards – just targets those particular sites that have everything to lose, forcing them to either ban their material or shutdown having lost their supporting advertisers.
Thank you for needlessly stirring things up. I realize the hypocrasy of the situation is true, but I hope targetting the smaller fan sites having the biggest repurcussions from this article has given you the satisfaction and fame you wanted enough to counteract all the negativity you have been receiving. Unless you were searching for these negative responses in the first place in which case I hope someday in the future you can find happiness in receiving positive attention from actions which don’t come from ***t-disturbing.
You keep telling everyone to read the article again. Your article reminds me of a bad highschool essay. I would probably give you a D, but only because we’re not allowed to fail anyone. Put more thought in what you’re trying to achieve. Write a clear thesis. Explain how you’re going to prove it. Explain the importance of the topic. Then provide evidence that is then explained and placed in context and linked to why it is relevant to your argument. Follow with a clear conclusion that reiterates your points and purpose. Once you’ve done this, then I’ll help you with grammar and wording.
Thanks to you. All Adult + Mature manga = banned. You are my hero…
No manga of any kind has been “banned” large websites have voluntarily removed it to make money, because after all that’s what they care about,, they don’t care about you, and the damn sure don’t care about freedom of speech. Saying adult manga has been proves your stupidity. Not even the sickest guro/lolicon has completely removed from the internet. You just won’t find it on mainstream websites sponsored by Disney (via google anymore). In other words, you geniuses you get it from a different website…. OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
actually the moderators of said websites are mostly having their content removed without warning by the owners of the site hosts. so yeah. its being more or less banned
I might be able to see things more your way if you would fill us in on what happened between you and Google in the first place. I find it hard to believe that your only goal is to make Google run business honestly.. Its more like you did something, and Google came down on you for it. Not saying Google is right.. Since your so fond of “FACTS”. Why not fill us in on what started this mess.
this is stupid!!!!!
people from companies make your employers research the stuff and you will see that is not wrong. as for mangafox they always announce when the stories will have sex and gore in the stories. the genre put here have the same nudity and violence as R rated movies to PG-13 they don’t overdo it.
90% of the Genre has awesome stories lines that make people not give a damm about the short appearance of sex(like R movies)
so get your act together and find out why people like them.
Eh.. Mangafox did mention that they didn’t have to take this stuff away. They’re screening what they can and cannot put back on the site. And they did it on their own, no one prompted them. Still… :(
Yep, but stupid people just want some to blame, which if anyone is to blame the websites for choosing money over readers or google for its tos.
I think it would have been far more exciting maybe even more satisfying on your part had you done an expose on Google and their hypocrisy.. I would have read that article.
You missed an opportunity.
I’m really astonished here. It seems that google has the authority to just wipre out all lolicon, shota, yuri and yaoi manga but the hentai and echi which is explicit (if not more so) than many of these genres seems to float untouched and unpunished. I feel some discrimination here, and it starts with things like yaoi which feature homosexual relations. Honestly its ridiculous how skewed their policy is and their implementation at that! I understand you only wish to protect younger web surfers from the well, extreme content that can be found, but you’ve opened flood gates and now many people are being censored. Yes it IS censorship that is happening, and unjustly so. “This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adult”. Google better get its act together.
I smell a witch hunt. The target? Fans of anime/manga.
Seriously, if you’re going to screw over so many online communities dedicated to this kind of thing – and rest assured, you have – at least be witty about it. All you’ve done in this article is point fingers and linkdrop, in an effort to self-righteously defend internet morality or something.
(Also, hint: read up on your legal precedents. US federal law does not recognize comics/drawings as Pornography.)
You need to read up on the article you’re whining about before making yourself look stupid, but don’t worry you’re in good company.
actually what Justine said is fairly accurate. according to us federal law drawings and comics are not considered pornography. However, they can be sensored if they are considered obscene by the miller standard. Secondly, the protect act has nothing to do with animation or comics. Therefore, your statement that these images are illegal by US law is incorrect. If it was it would have been impossible for funimation to gain rights to dance in the vampire bund. And secondly this article sure pissed off a lot of members of the online community. there are many people that are very dedicated to these genre. and several manga in the lolicon and shotacon have very minimalized sexualization. but then again an ignorant person that can’t realize that the comment hit the nail on the head wouldn’t realize that they don’t understand the law, the repercussions of their actions or really what most of the manga and anime storylines are about. but hey i forgive you
And YOU should learn the LAW before you go around saying what is legal and what is illegal.
I know the law, but the law is irrelevant this article deal with advertising and google’s TOS.
If the law is irrelevant why did you bother to mention it.
Alright, I get what you were trying to say, I get that you wern’t trying to get anything baned.
I, um, well it’s pretty obvious that you’ve been getting all these critics and angry words because this article caused a LOT of manga to be removed from web sites and fans are quite upset (me being one of those fans). And yes, I know you didn’t mean for it to happen, but even the manga that isn’t lolicon or shotacon was removed…
I do agree with the comment that says that manga is art and it’s not nice to censor art.
Sure, the material is there and it’s referred to as “mature” but no one is being forced to look at it, to read it or reenact it so I think that your comment about showing an uncensored pic to your mom, teacher or whatever was uncalled for.
Being avid manka readers, we know there are some people who don’t agree with us and we respect that.
I get that you’re tired of getting hate mail and angry comments but that’s no way of handling things. By saying those things, you might make others feel bad in many ways… or maybe not, but it’s not very tolerant of you.
If it’s about linking to mature stuff then there are even more mature sites that manga sites or youtube.
How about fanfic? I love fanfic and I think that there are fanfics that are much more mature than manga or anime.
I wonder what would’ve happened if you had mantioned lj, deviantart or any other HUGE web site.
It would be a biger outburst if lj deleted all the mature content. Though I think it wouldn’t have done it.
But, yes, I know you didn’t mean for all this to happen, I just got a bit upset at the comment you made :P
Hmm, well, I guess there’s not much I can do about all this. All we can do is wait for google to understand that art isn’t supposed to be censored and that they need to stay away from the “morality” field if they want to stay out of trouble.
Honestly its ink and paper not pictures i emailed noez to tell em off explicitly about my yaoi i am sorry parents can’t be parents and noez should walk into a art museum and look around i am 29 working adult not ten leave manga alone oh to email noez go to website contact us just google noez
Yes the email is fake. I just want to tell you something, you don’t have to post this if you don’t want.
I know you didn’t set out to get all mature manga content banned online (nor will anyone ever achieve that i’m sure) but what you’ve done has had a chilling effect on the communities of fans of not only shota/loli (i could care less) but all mature manga (this i do care about). And as far as I can ascertain, you did this for the mere satisfaction of rubbing Google’s face in their own hypocrisy. In so doing you have really screwed with my life. One of the few pleasures in my life is reading manga. Some of my favorite manga have mature content. Now suddenly they are very hard to find. I did not want to be writing you this stupid note right now. I wanted to sit down and enjoy reading for a couple of hours, as I do every evening. But now I’m entangled in the mystery of “where did my manga go” and I can only trace it back to you.
So thanks. You got a potshot at Google. You also fucked up quite a few of my evenings. Thanks a lot. Hope you’re happy.
I’m sorry, I understand the point you want to make and it is a very good point, but I don’t see how this is going to change any of the other explicit sites with the same advertisements. The only thing this does is use manga and anime as a scapegoat to pretend a problem is being dealt with. The mature content will be removed from those websites, hooray, but the other websites that you decided not to write about will remain the same because those sites make more money. Therefore, Google will make more money with those ads and are perfectly happy to slam the anime and manga sites. Google will still be breaking TOS with all the other money making sites with explicit content.
It may not create complete equality in Google applying their TOS, but it is a start.
Why are people getting so worked up over Lolicon, Shotacon, Yaoi and Yuri? It’s Sex. Who gives a shit. We can read and watch violence all we want, which means we can kill people. But we can’t enjoy pleasure because it’s “sexual” or “dirty”? Fuck America, I can’t wait to get out of this place and fuck Google too.
Your definition of “pornography” is so broad as to be ludicrous. Content can be “mature” without being “porn”.
It not me definition of “pornography”
It’s google’s definition of what violate their TOS.
Honestly saying that you were meaning for google to follow thier own rules may be what you orginaly set out to do(doubt it but that is me) but even if you say it 100 times people will still see the effects of it. The effect being the banning of really good manga. The vast majority of manga sites warn the reader that they are about to view mature content BEFORE they start reading. After that it is up to the person reading it. Honestly I don’t particularly like shota and loli myself but for you to attack it like this is just idiotic.
Did you stop to think what kind of after effects this could have? Sure google cracks down on their TOS but what does that mean for those who enjoy reading this so called “child pornography” or other mature manga. Currently they are unavailable fully and for what? Because you just had to tell google that they are not following their TOS? I find that hard to believe myself and frankly you are just like the majority of the people I know of in this world who are to damn short sighted and close minded to think that something, like most of these mature manga are, is art.
The consequence you speak of are the result of those site have material that breaks Google’s TOS, and their self imposed.
While I can understand that you did not intend to attack any manga directly, or necessarily intend for them to be banned, in your quest to have Google adhere to their own ToS, surely you must have realized that in order for Google to entirely adhere to their own ToS, they would have to make sure that everything that could be taken as ‘mature’, ‘pornographic’, and etc. would have to be taken down.
So, while you may have not been trying to ban many manga from the sites, that is obviously what has happened.
Due to Google removing everything that could be even considered mature/yaoi/yuri/shotacon, lolicon, whatever, many manga that responsible and mature adults enjoyed can no longer be read by said responsible and mature adults.
It’s the internet and it’s just impossible for Google to even try and keep tabs on every blog, website, chat, etc. that Adsense reaches. And let’s face it, while children use the internet, there are just as many if not more adults that surf and adults should be allowed to indulge in mature, not necessarily pornographic, although that should be allowed, too, content on the internet. It is up to the parents of young children to monitor what their children are reading and/or watching while online, not Google.
I do not really think the problem lies with whether loli/shota should be be considered an illegal form of porn or not. These are the content guidelines for sites using Googles ad program.
“Google AdSense Sites with Google ads may not include or link to:
Pornography, adult or mature content
Violent content
Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organisation
Excessive profanity
Hacking/cracking content
Gambling or casino-related content
Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia content
Sales of beer or hard alcohol
Sales of tobacco or tobacco-related products
Sales of prescription drugs
Sales of weapons or ammunition (e.g. firearms, firearm components, fighting knives, stun guns)
Sales of products that are replicas or imitations of designer goods
Sales or distribution of coursework or student essays
Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites or reading emails
Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity or infringes on the legal rights of others
Publishers are also not permitted to place AdSense code on pages with content primarily in an unsupported language.”
If you read the list You´ll soon realize that practically all sites on the web dealing in, or containing any kind of, what could be classified as ENTERTAINMENT should NOT be using Google´s ad program.
For example, most online bookstores that not only deal in strictly books for young children (adult content), pages where you can buy tickets to your local movie theatre (violence, adult content), all manga and anime download and viewing sites (displaying someone else´s work without permission), most sites with celebrity news and gossip (adult content, violent content), news sites in general (violence, adult content)
I highly doubt that those signing up for the ad program ever read trough all the fine print (would You) and even if they do they ignore the fact that they don´t fulfill all the stricter demands perfectly, since so does everyone else, and no-one (except maybe Google could have) has the resources to check.
The problem however, in my opinion is Google´s dominant market position. They´re by far the largest, most lucrative and reasonably reliable ad service provider on the web. This means that they can dictate their own rules exactly as strictly as they want, so that they can see through their fingers as much as as they profit from.
Then when something like this “Google Sponsors Child Pornography” occurs, they can quickly; be very sorry, admit they did´nt notice, and make a long list of more and less reasonable demands of change of content to the service users in question. The users in question then either have to comply or turn elsewhere for advertisement services. But turn where? Best comply then. Here the problem!
In reality it means, that Google, and anyone who manages to influence the people working there, to a noticeable extent can control the content of the internet.
I think it´s a little scary to see just how much power of influence over the average person´s everyday life a company as large as google, operating on the web, can and has aquired!
I understand where you were coming from with this article and why you wrote it. Unfortunately because of your inquiries on child pornography these advertisers have run wild with it and are now targeting content that does not have anything to do with child pornography or under-aged sexual content. For example they are also forcing the removal of yaoi, adult, mature and violent mangas from the websites. Instead of forcing Google to see that they have a faulty system your article has seemed to have spawned off a general censorship campaign by the advertisers and Google which not only will make the people who read such things very unhappy it will also effect the lively hood of those site that need the money generated from the ads if they do not comply to Google’s demands.
I do not agree with the comics that depict any child in a sexual act of any kind but that is not for me to decide for others. I just avoid it altogether and as an adult I find the fact that these companies are not trying to force their personal options on me very offensive. I am capable of making my own decisions.
I do not pretend to know anything about the UK’s Coroners and Justice Act but these type of manga’s that you mention in the article are not illegal in the US according to the federal government. Any thing that does not contain a real life child does not fall under the child pornography laws because it is considered Simulated Pornography.
Simulated child pornography was made illegal with the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996. The CPPA was short-lived. In 2002, the Supreme Court of the United States decided Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, holding that the relevant portions of the CPPA were unconstitutional because they prevented lawful speech. Referring to Ferber, the court stated that “the CPPA prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production. Virtual child pornography is not ‘intrinsically related’ to the sexual abuse of children.”
I’m sure all this flack will die down eventually but because of your efforts to point out Google’s wrong doings these companies have begun a censorship witch hunt.
Congrats man! Your actions have caused web hosts to start pulling any manga with anything that could be perceived as adult even if it is only a tag that is labeled mature so that they don’t lose advertisers. Even though some of those mature manga don’t have any nudity (child or otherwise) you also got all the Yaoi and Loli crap pulled and for that I applaud you. It takes balls to piss off that crowd and you’re probably screwed for quite some time but you did what needed to be done.
I suggest in the future going against the furries. More sickfucks who deserve the same as these Loli guys. You know, they may even be the same people as those that read the Loli so you can double piss those guys off.
Keep up the good work
Check the previous comments, I already said I was going after anthropomorphic cartoons like Loony Tunes for bestiality next.
This, sir, is ridiculous. Lolicon & Shotacon are risque, but it’s hardly on the same level as child porn. I would like to astound thee with an amazing argument, but the shock that yaoi is considered too inappropriate for the web has yet to wear off.
This is all pretty silly. For one, Dance In The Vampire Bund is certainly not lolicon. There are no sexual scenes anywhere in the manga, not even implied! It has a great story which, as someone else also pointed out, is about discrimination. The female protagonist also suffer from her “curse” of looking much younger than she is, which makes her fight hard to be taken seriously.
True lolicon is hentai, meaning pornographic material, which none of these sites offered. Worse, non-lolicon material such as yuri (i.e. “lesbian” material in the widest sense of the word) is also being removed from those sites. Is that what you really want?
Yes that’s what I really want. I want only missionary sex, which is preform in the sanctity of marriage and with the lights off.
YOU GOT ME!
Another thing. I don’t understand why you are targeting Google? Do you really think they are the ONLY search engine on the net?
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEARCH ENGINES!
it’s about the Google Advertising program.
Yes I understand that. Put do you not understand that you can find those same ads using other search engines besides Google? Not that I want you to start targeting others without merit.
FYI GOOGLE IS A SEARCH ENGINE
I realise that this guys rant is aimed at the advertisers and not the fans of anime/mange. However, by labeling one aspect of manga as “child porn” he is essentially labeling all the fans as “pedophiles”. Manga is art. And like my art teacher told my college class years ago,” art has many forms and for some reason America is way more uptight about sexual depictions/nudity in art than other countries”. I understand the not liking the genres lolicon and shotacon. I myself don’t like them so I don’t read them. This guy should do the same. But this guy needs to realize that he is never going to get rid of these things. I would rather give donations or pay a membership to be able to read my Yaoi with NO Ads at all. Or I could just go to my local Borders store or Amazon to get them.
Oh and just clarify the previous post about drawings not being considered porn in the U.S I found this: The legal treatment of simulated child pornography in the United States requires an understanding of the components of that phrase: pornography, child, and simulated. United States law treats these as separate concepts, each worthy of analysis.
In the United States, pornography is considered a form of personal expression, and thus governed by the First Amendment to the Constitution. Pornography is generally protected speech, unless it is obscene, as the Supreme Court of the United States held in 1973 in Miller v. California.
The United States Supreme Court’s ruling in Free Speech Coalition V. Ashcroft has been generally misunderstood as permitting virtual, or cartoon, child pornography. However, that ruling actually said that images that did not involve the use of real minors in their production could not be prosecuted as “child pornography.” The court very explicitly stated that those types of images could, however, be prosecuted as obscenity under the Miller standard. Congress has since enacted 18 U.S.C. 1466A, which specifically criminalizes the possession and distribution of virtual and comic images of apparent children if they are engaged in sexually explicit conduct that is “obscene” under the Miller standard, as directly suggested in the Ashcroft ruling
An you need realize I’m not trying to (nor succeeding in) banning anything, just getting Google to follow it own rules.
Maybe you should try to find those manga that you pointed out. Or any manga that might be considered mature/adult. No luck? then I would say that you DID succeed in banning those things. Not from everyone but from the most popular manga sites that you mentioned in your article. I understand now. If you go after the people (i.e advertisers) that bring in the money then they can do your dirty work of yanking their ads causing Google to take aim at those sites. But you forget that being the one that starts it make you very hated by a lot of people from around the world, including Google.
well here is my 2 sense. i agree that America is uptight but i don’t agree with the having to donate for a membership, not everyone can afford that. and not every borders, or Barnes and noble has all the yaoi(which is also under attack now)that these websites have.i would say that maybe they should put an age check on mature stuff, but if someone wants something bad enough then they will find a way to get it regardless.
Heh, I think all of your argument here is because you have something against anime and manga. So much about “I want to stop child pornography” thing. I with you about stopping child porn but from what i can see all your “hard work” only results in some manga that ABSOLUTELY don’t have anything to do with child porn to be removed. And don’t start to say that those sites removed them on their own. It is that they have to removed them. You reap what you sow, so don’t say that this isn’t your fault, you have to take responsibilities to what you have done.
You don’t know what responsibility is.
While I understand how you can interpret some anime/manga as “child pornography,” I sincerely can’t understand your overreaction. Seriously.
If you apply your rigid (and it’s overly rigid) standard to most anything, you can see babies in diaper commercials as “child pornography”. If you want to see porn, it will be there, regardless of the advertising’s intention. That said, you spend far too much time looking into and for these images. I don’t think I have to remind you that some of these mangas you mentioned earlier actually deal with important issues, not titillating their audience with nudity; Dance in the Vampire Bund deals with discrimination, something you should bear in mind before you accuse it of corrupting minors.
Do you honestly believe that removing these mangas will change anything? If anything, a ban will idolize them, much like alcohol when the U.S. tried to ban it in 1919.
I apologize if my opinion offends you, but I feel like instead of tackling a problem, you are aiming at the wrong target and in the process making things worse.
Reread article has nothing to do with banning anything
*rolls eyes* Really? If you’re in fact not banning anything, then you wouldn’t be writing this article in the first place, nor sending the complaint. You saying that you’re not banning anything is avoiding blame while adopting a holier-than-thou attitude.
As for the not banning anything, I will quote you on this:
“I confronted Google about this 2 weeks ago, but none of these sites have been banned so I’ve contacted the companies being advertised on them directly”
I’m pretty sure this constitutes as banning.
so we were all mad (literaly) by being backstabed by Internet (how the hell this happened?) but in the calm after the storm and the bloodshed the smartest have seen the obvious, this mayhem is not caused by religion, censorship, this page, morals or laws. This chaos is advertised by google.
They dont control their ads in a good maner and they just found a goatscape, MANGA (like rocknroll in the 50) so Adult/Mature mangas no matter their topic are being removed, and Yuri and Yaoi are forbidden (even if homosexuality dont have anything to do with pedophile). So why Google are doing this? because if they were so idiots managing their ads obviously we cant count to them for bringing a good solution (is like giving a Sadam the task to administrate a democracy)
Bad? yeah, but the problem is simple, google would get lazy and the task to moderate would go back to the manga pages so everything would be alright and obiously webmasters are going to do google´´s work (again).
The main discusion is behind this schemes and is about if Lolicon and Shotacon are really Child Porn, or are definitly ilegal. I dont think they are because they are fiction as well as a novel.
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Aaargh! How can you compare loli/shota to CHILD PORN???? Goodness me! Now you got Complex deleted of my favourite site *pulls hair out*. These are STORIES, the intention of loli/shota not classified under hentai is not for sexual arousal but for telling a story. There is a huge difference between hentai and loli/shota/yaoi/yuri/smut. I don’t even know why I’m posting this. Earlier you had a blog reviewing KnJ, now you condemn it? You caused a lot of damage calling loli/shota child pron. Thanks man.
You remind me of that crazy Whitehouse woman. Or those mad campaigns where they burnt teenagers Kiss and Alice Cooper albums in the 70’s.You are burning art and books!
If you want to make an attack on Google,this is not the way to do it. Did you intend on ripping off so many brilliant graphic novels? You might as well ban Watchmen!
If you have any shame, take your stupid blog down.
I have lots of shame for your reading comprehension.
Just wondering, what is your whole beef with Google anyways? Did they touch you as a child?
Jokes aside what exactly was the point of this article? You said yourself you couldnt care less about lolicon and the lot but you went to the trouble of finding very specific examples of risque moment involving children (no I did not click every link you provided. You wanted google to comply with its own TOS. Ok, and what exactly got you bothered about it in the first place? Just wondering where you were and what you were doing there when you made the google-child porn connection.
See Update. better yet reread (i.e. “actually” read) the article.
You did not answer my question of how you make the google-child porn connection. Maybe you should actually read my question.
lol. Why is mangaupdates even listed?
“(Lolicon has its own section)” reasoning is laughable. This page is something like wikipedia, but it contains only manga(description, autor, releases, scanlators,..) No explicit material. And tnx to your article google remowed ads from this site(now they’ll have to pay for hosting servers).
READ THE ARTICLE!
Here’s a clue: it’s in the 1st sentence.
I´m 27 years old (w) and my aunt is 45 years old and we aren’t allowed to read yaoi online. Gratz you win. I’m going to play some online-shooter then because killing humans is better than reading love books. headshot yes
You read yaoi with your 45-year-old aunt. That is a disturbing image.
You read yaoi with your 45 year-old aunt? Lol, that’s hilarious and awesome.
How are the series you mentioned pornographic?
Tell you what, scan the uncensored picture of the girl masturbating from Kodomo No Jikan, and ask your mother, teacher, boss or policeman what they think about it.
✖Yes. Not all lolicon and shotacon have sexual contents. I suggest you read before you report:P.
por·nog·ra·phy – (pôr-nŏg’rə-fē):
1. Sexually EXPLICIT PICTURES, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
From: The American Heritage Dictionary
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EXPLICIT PICTURES!! EXLICIT!
It doesn’t matter if every lolicon is explicit the examples I gave were. And for the millionth time the article wasn’t about the merits of lolicon. It was about Google breaking their own TOS.
well i don’t quite get it but from what i see you seem to have far to much time on your hands to pick on people like that i mean you went to all the trouble to look up each of these sites and you must have read a good bit of the manga yourself to know what happens on what chapters and you say scan the pictures to show to others why do you say that if its got nothing to do with lolicon was it …. i read manga and a lot of mine were banded thanks to you because you might see a tit once. hell you see worse shit on fox news you should work your magic their rather than here buddy
i don’t really read mangas of the same genre but i know how the author feels. well if these mangas published are being merchandised here in our own country then we won’t bother looking and reading through the net!
and also, it’s just anime/manga!we are not mentally unstable to apply what we have read in real life. it sucks to know that your past-time might be labeled “illegal”.
i think it not use to blame the site.. al the things that hapen is all about parent who control their children or not… if the parents realy control their children, they can use karspersky product that have an setting to parential control.. dont balme the site coz not all the manga reader is children.. there is still so many adults who love to read manga..and it’s not fair for us if we cant read all our lovely manga just couse thare some parents who wanna to protect their children without an protection program….and i think all the children is very clever now..they can search an porn manga in another site who have an truly site for porn manga if they want. so it not use to blame general manga site to remove all their manga who have an mature,yaoi,yuri,shotacon an lolicon..
actualy i also hate manga with genre of yaoi and yuri but i know there was so many people who like that genre of manga.
so please dont thinking about our self only… just use the protections program to make children clean from porn site or manga..thanks
You know, I really dislike really graphic lolicon or shotacon that’s like some little kid being raped, hate it in fact. However, that is totally different from what you’re talking about. I haven’t read all of them but I’ve at least viewed them. I’ve watched the anime for Kodomo No Jikan and I thought it was a sweet story about a girl with a crush on her older teacher. I really didn’t see a problem with it, even though I’ll admit her character was a little twisted and she had a potty-mouth. Personally I get really annoyed when people get nitpicky about stuff like this on the internet. First of all, drawings aren’t the same as pornography. Second of all, people have varying opinions on what is and isn’t appropriate. The things you mentioned like a girl masturbating or something. Who is harmed by watching this? If you don’t like it turn it off. As for those who are probably too young to be watching this. What do you think is the reason for that? I think that would be because their parents aren’t paying attention to what they’re doing on the internet right? The internet is full of real porn, not just manga. Making a fuss about something like lolicon or shotacon on the internet… it’s like you’re throwing rocks at the ocean and then feeling proud of yourself because you made a splash.
two things, First off i was wondering what exactly was your goal with this article?? You said that “The point (which I stated in the beginning) is the hypocrisy in allowing sites with material that clearly violates Google’s TOS” but this can’t really be anything new so what exactly did you hope to accomplish with this article?
secondly you have repeatedly stated that the reactions of the manga sites was not your fault and some of the time it sounds like you were not expecting/don’t really care about it, so i was wondering what exactly you expected as a response to this article.
ps. for some weird reason i can’t access a lot of the comments or at least i can’t browse through them to look for quotes. can any one help the noob here?
Welcome to the internet.
You will not agree with everything you see. Get over this now.
It’s nice and all that you took it upon yourself to inform companies about where they are being advertized, but really, they are going to write a PR reply and not do anything otherwise. But that’s all it was, patting yourself on the back for doing a “good deed”.
You wanted the google ads removed from the series with the child porn themes. The backlash however, is more than you intended. The sites that you have listed have gone so far as to remove every series which is rated PG-13 or higher. This is simply unacceptable. For instance, you can not have a good romance story without, well, a certain amount of romance in it. Adults will no longer visit these sites as there will be nothing mature enough to be of interest, and all the companies that use the google ad system will lose money because only adults have money to spend. Many companies would rather be unethical and have money than be ethical and have no money. Your current economy dictates that this is fact.
P.S. One thing you should also note is that those genre headings such as shotacon and lolicon can also be used to avoid such manga. I notice you failed to mention this.
What backlash? People whining, which I’m allowing in the first place (cause I’m such a right wing, troll, etc.).
Backlash is this: some manga sites have removed every manga that was considered PG-13. Even if it was unfairly tagged as such, or even if the story wasn’t even mature to begin with, it WAS removed. And it was because of this article. Some of the manga that were removed didn’t even have scenes of them, nor had anything that were to warn that there were going to be sex/adult/porn scenes in the future. It’s one huge generalisation that you were doing there, and many manga were thrown in the whirlpool just because of this article.
I suggest you reading this as well:
http://www.animenation.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-194448.html
http://www.japanator.com/new-japanese-proposal-trying-to-ban-lolicon-6253.phtml
Once again, who removed those manga? me? THEY CHOOSE TO REMOVE THEM TO COMPLY WITH TOS, WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALREADY.
Must be your generation’s whole “stop snitching” that makes you think telling the truth is bad.
Ahem? Snitching? No we don’t care about that part, hell you can tell anyone for all I care
But mangas who aren’t even sexually explict is getting removed
They are only removing mangas due to social image
Otherwise they wouldn’t give A shit about this article
Oh I see. I’ll stop personally taking those down for you since it’s me doing it after all.
your welcome.
Wait so I’m a little confused here about how internet advertising works. I believed it was google who chose to randomly choose a manga title to advertise on the internet. Or was it mangafox who decided to advertise it?
In any case while I understand your dislike of hypocrisy, just be careful of DDOS attacks from the next few days. You can probably tell by now that you’ve definitely made a few enemies known as ‘Anonymous’ of 4chan.
Manga websites like other websites sign up to display ad on their pages (just like TV uses commercials) to make monkey. Google advertises and sells the ad space on those websites to other companies.
Question: What is child pornography?
Answer: As defined in 47 U.S.C. 2256:
“child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where?
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
here its clearly stated that you are worng based on the USC laws
OKAY. You got me (sarcasm).
Congratulation, you sir have done perhaps the stupidest thing I’ve seen since 4chans and their war on GE. Now for your next move I suggest you take down Hollywood. Mature mangas have about as much porn in it as a Hollywood “romance” movie does. Also, I would like to suggests some movie titles for you to complain about starting with:
1. Twilight — Plenty of porn there if you bother to check it out recently. Guys running w/o their shirts on and all that. Naked werewolves you know the deal.
2. Avatar — If that scene between the dude in the alien outfit and the alien girl isn’t porn then I don’t know what is.
3. American Pie — I believe this movie is self-explanatory and should deserve to get ban from all aspects of American lives. As good a movie as it maybe the amount of “questionable” materials in it is, I’m sure, irrefutable.
4. Titanic — Let us not forget that “hot, steamy, scene” where there is only a hand on the car window. Maybe that should get ban too and not consider one of America’s greatest masterpiece to ever hit the theater.
5. Transformer — If you really want to clean up America, I suggest you cut down on Megan Fox screen time in this movie. With that body and certain scenes with a motor bike/car if that wasn’t porn I don’t know what is.
6. The Little Mermaid — Wow if you want to ban all types of “questionable” materials then I suggest you ban this nice little movie for children. Have you even look at the amount of clothes that mermaid wear. That and I’m sure she looks more of a loli than any of the loli mangas you are mentioning.
7. Underworld-Rise of the Lycans — Have you watch that movie? If you have I’m sure you would’ve notice the nice little scene over the cliff. Well if that doesn’t convince you then watch Underworld and Underworld Revolution. Those should have plenty of reasons for you to ban them if you are raging against porn.
8. Pretty Woman — Wow, should I even describe what’s wrong with this movie according to you? Nudity, Sex, Prostitution, enough yet?
9. Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle — I hope you didn’t enjoy this movie too much. It probably has too much porn for you I’m sure.
10. She’s Out of My League — “That would be good if I was wearing any underwear” — Enough said don’t you think?
Now before you start talking about how this is related to w/e shits you’re blowing let me clarify. These movies have about as much porn as the mangas you’re suggestion. Now if you start saying how these are not related to lolicon let me explain. Because of your nonsensical, hypocritical tangent, manga websites are removing a varieties of mangas loli or not. So deal with your stupidity and your nonsense some other ways. Don’t make the rest of us suffer just because you, and only you decided you want your 15 minutes of fame.
None of those things you listed are related to the point of the article which for the umpteenth time is Google’s TOS.
I’ve read your article many times and I notice in the comments that you keep mentioning that the article is about Google’s TOS, even though there is little mention of it in your article. You fail to recognize that you go on a tangent, straying from your chosen subject completely. The bulk of your article focuses on manga and anime. By the second paragraph you’ve turned this on the manga and anime genres of shotacon and lolicon, etc. In this way, many people assume that you want this manga banned.
You are forcing your beliefs on other people, ignoring the big melting-pot of cultures which is the internet.
Think, there may be a reason Google refused to respond to you, the comments of these fine people might give you a clue.
Apparently you need to reread it again.
The Google is the title. The opening paragraph if about google’s TOS. The rest focuses why these sites are inappropriate for google ads. Later I explain how I contacted google, not the cops, not my church members, Google… ABOUT ADS!
Are you freaking shitting me? After being able to find time to relax from excessive studying for my final exams, I find out that the one website I absolutely love removed all the mangas that I actually were waiting for and had been updated.
I kinda get your point about how companies are advertising on certain websites when it clearly violates their own TOS. Yes, it’s kinda wrong and messed up. But, personally, the most I think you did was anger readers and viewers. Really, when you think about it, most companies don’t give a shit as long as they get money. I’m not saying it’s a waste of breath or time, but do you actually think they will take the time, effort and money to check for every single little thing that violates their TOS? Yeah, they’ll “investigate” it, but how far do you actually think they’ll “investigate”? How far do you think this whole thing will last? Before you know it, due to viewer demands, it’s most likely Google will just lose business because the manga & whichever sites will just choose different adhosts.
It’s nice that there is someone confident and strong to actually post an article like this, knowing that they’d get excessive negative feedback, but next time just think of the consequences. I know for sure as hell that I don’t give a shit as long as I can read and watch whenever I want.
And people still allow books like twilight to be published? A (VERY) overaged man getting it on with an underaged girl? Man-beasts and their relationships? And yet you strike at websites that clearly give warning to 18 and older images. What, honestly, were you doing when you noticed these ads? Some websites just use a generic ad bit, and often you can see some very non-appropriate ads on children’s websites, but it gets fixed. All you’re doing is causing unrest…. colorful pictures are now the enemy, when we have other issues to deal with, economy and politics?
you know, you are saying that the sites violates Google’s TOS (or worse), can you be a LOT MORE specific about it? like what part of the TOS its being violated, and i ask you to change the title since google dosnt advertice child pornography, and by the way, who ARE YOU to be saying all these stuff?, you are lying about the manga sites removing the seires themself, you emailed the sponsor companies of the sites and they after the mangas were removed without ever asking the manga sites
ANY pornographic material is against Google TOS, adult or otherwise, which is the first sentence in the article. It’so clear from comment like this that you didn’t bother to read what you’re complaining about.
well… in all honesty, i agree to a point. I draw the line very early (im not specifying cause im pretty sure whatever i would say can be turned into someone wanting to ban all manga in the future… it sounds absurd, but its possible…) in this article.
Im just gonna say, to actually write this, you have got to have a LOT of time on your hands. They are freaking drawings… we manga readers (i doubt you are one) actually rate how well they were drawn…
America would be the ONLY place where we truly try to block nudity from being seen at all…(some of the manga sites do to, to prevent this kind of crap). go to europe… nudity is on advertisements in the city… asia… same thing… africa… i dont know, but im pretty sure some native tribes still walk around naked.
Mangas are a kind of cultural thing… fine, block it out, but if people want to get a taste of some of the things asians are good at, other than making food out of the strangest of things, reading manga is a good start (face it, having echi stuff in manga is… well… a given… nudity is NO BIG DEAL…)
The angry lolicons throwing out accusations make me lol. Honestly I’d rather they focus on policing real child porn, where harm is actually done to the child. But the inconsistency really is interesting, especially in light of the recent shit storm over people trying to take loli manga, etc back to the states with them.
Wait, I mean, WHY YOU HATE MANGA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
All loli should be banned. It’s depicting children. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
why are you attacking manga? you should be attacking actual child porn sites or porn in general.
Again I never attacked manga, never made a moral judgment of any kind. I simply used an extreme example to point out Google’s hypocrisy.
Mina is a vampire!!! Have you seen vampire shows. The most popular vampire movies like Twilight shows vampires that are underage.. I have read the series and the next movie will show explicit scenes. I just do not understand what is wrong..
The subject on lolicon and mature mangas is very broad on what is wrong and right. I do not understand what the big deal is about lolicon or shotacon when Cartoon Network adult swim, in the US, used to air the anime, Elfen Lied. Which depicts lolicon where girls are mainly in the nude and being tortured. The anime even depicts horrible acts of child abuse and rape. And that used to be on television. Although it was on adult swim, these mature mangas have a warning label stating that you should be 18 and older to read. Most mangas are questionable but these mangas on mangafox are basically stories not complete porn or hentai. There are separate websites for porn and hentai. In my opinion, this whole situation is blown out of proportion. There are thousands of people or more who read these types of mangas. That does not mean everyone is a pedophile! LOL x_x
I was very upset to see this because now I cannot read anything related to mature content. I am already over 18 years old. If you took the time to read Dance in the Vampire Bund, you would understand that the main character may be in a child form but she is really an adult because she is a vampire. Not every manga is bad..
first of all I have to state I only like anime with a supernatural theme. second I have to say that while I haven’t read “Omamori Himari” and “Dance in the Vampire Bund” for a while I do remember enjoyable things about them so It got me a bit mad when I saw them included.
now to my point. while both of these said titles do have things that look like prepubescent children, they cannot be really conveyed as such because of a simple fact.and that fact is “THEY ARE NOT HUMAN”. example a vampire case in some story’s may age and in others they don’t. In many they may look 20 but are actually more then 40,000 years old! so while the accused may look like a prepubescent girl there is really no way of knowing unless they tell the reader.
plus while I am not sure of their actuall age (actually just cant remember at the moment) I am pretty sure that you wouldn’t judge animals by human standards would you? the same can thus be applied to Omamori Himari. Saying that a female demon who wears the appearance a prepubescent girl is one is like naming a guy, who falls in love with a girl, who for no reason what so ever desires to dress up as a middle school girl, a lolicon or pedophile. Of corse the guy isn’t a ether of those. The girl just just decided to look a little different. that girl is no more a prepubescent girl then the female demon you spoke of.
in summery what I am trying to say is that I want you to remove the parts about the two titles: Omamori Himamori, and Dance of the vampire bund.that is all. I agree with kodomo no Jikon being on it. I have read and watched the anime. it definitely is toeing over the line in area’s. while I did enjoy the story and that love overcomes ages, I definitely feel that I cant argue about their case, and the last title I haven’t read so I cant do anything about it. In any case please head what I said, and also please do as I said. find different names for such a scheme as this I don’t want them to have anything to do with it as it isn’t even illegal for there to be inhuman’s who don’t wear clothes(you wouldn’t make a baboon wear pants to cover his butt would you?)
If you did this just to point out hypocrisy you could have cited a lot less examples and said ” and many more” Instead you cited almost all of the decient online manga cites and now there all jacked up. Thanks for ruining my day, man.
That’s hardly every website, just the high traffic ones which was the point.
first of all I have to state I only like anime with a supernatural theme. second I have to say that while I haven’t read “Omamori Himari” and “Dance in the Vampire Bund” for a while I do remember enjoyable things about them so It got me a bit mad when I saw them included.
now to my point. while both of these said titles do have things that look like prepubescent children, they cannot be really conveyed as such because of a simple fact.and that fact is “THEY ARE NOT HUMAN”. example a vampire case in some story’s may age and in others they don’t. In many they may look 20 but are actually more then 40,000 years old! so while the accused may look like a prepubescent girl there is really no way of knowing unless they tell the reader.
plus while I am not sure of their actual age (actually just cant remember at the moment) I am pretty sure that you wouldn’t judge animals by human standards would you? the same can thus be applied to Omamori Himari. Saying that a female demon who wears the experience a prepubescent girl is one is like naming a guy, who falls in love with a girl, who for no reason what so ever desires to dress up as a middle school girl, a lolicon or pedophile. Of course the guy isn’t eather. The girl just just decided to look a little different. that girl is no more a prepubescent girl then the female demon you spoke of.
in summery what I am trying to say is that I want you to remove the parts about the two titles: Omamori Himamori, and Dance of the vampire Dund.that is all. I agree with kodomo no Jikon being on it. I have read and watched the anime. it definitely is toeing over the line in area’s. however while I did enjoy the story and that love overcomes ages, I definitely feel that I cant argue about their case, and the last title I haven’t read so I cant do anything about it. In any case please head what I said. and also please do as I said. find different names for such a scheme as this I don’t want them to have anything to do with it as it isn’t even illegal for there to be inhumane who don’t wear clothes(you wouldn’t make a baboon wear pants to cover his ass would you?)
I sure would. Have you ever seen a baboon’s ass? they need to cover that mess up it’s scary.
sure a baboons ass is scary, however that is not my point and you know it. stop dodging my request and take Dance in the Vampire Bund and Omamori Himari off this post as I requested. if you forgot what I said then here is a link.
http://l7world.com/2010/04/google-sponsors-child-pornography.html?wpc=6#comment-1236
note: I will continue replying until you do as I said.
I get the point that Google did something that upset you and you felt the need to get back at them… You have a very long list of websites listed in your article I wonder if the owners of those sites may be a bit upset with you after this, they have nothing to do with your fight with Google. Also some of the sites you listed do not host Manga they are just reference sites so you probable ruined their business for nothing. You obviously had nothing to loose and put no thought towards all the ppl this would effect..
Want to know why reference sites are included reread first sentence.
I’m so upset. A lot of those mangas banned were by some of my favorite artists. I view them purely as an art form and treasure them as such and unfortunately a lot of them will never be published in the US so now I’ll never see them again. This may have not been your intention to get some manga and anime banned, though I find that hard to believe since you should’ve predicted the outcome, but you are contributing to killing art. Art is always questionable and provocative because it wants to induce emotion and conservatives can’t help themselves when they see an opportunity to stop that shit right away so I guess that’s why you felt so compelled to write this article?
If you fail to see the argument here, then please do those of us who do a favor: do not post a comment.
Subjective application of what is supposed to be a black and white set of terms (the policies governing Adsense) is wrong, no matter if you’re the guy who runs the website or Google. Money should never be a motivator to enforce rules; the very fact that you have rules should be good enough.
This isn’t an argument for or against lolicon, or Google, or anything other than the fact that company is allowing advertising on pages that clearly violate their own TOS for the mere fact that those sites make them tons of money.
That’s it. If you can’t understand that, the very core of the argument that is being presented in this post, then why even bother furthering your incompetence by making a complete ass of yourself via comment?
You’ve restored my faith in humanity… (for the next 24 hours).
Your article is nothing but scare tactics and lies. Lolicon, even explicitly pornographic, is not illegal. Google does not have ads on any sort of pornographic sites. Many manga and anime use their artistic license to poke fun at sexuality, much like Spongebob included a villain in one of their episodes named “The Tickler” who was also an obvious French stereotype. It was not pornography, and neither are these mangas or anime. I know I’ve read all of Kodomo no Jikan, and the entire anime. The anime had no nudity, even bloomers were censored out in the TV version. The manga had only mild (I.E. little kid flat chest) nudity. I’m also trying to find any kind of nudity scene in the Vampire Bund anime, but I can’t seem to find any.
it’s episode 2, it’s been removed from youtube.
I think this is so overblown. Also Chu-Bra does not have nudity in the anime, I’ve watched the entire thing. Yes the girls are shown in underwear and talk about it through the entire show, there is not one nipple or vag shot. The show is fan-service at best, and does actually give out good information about underwear. The main point of the show is that the main character wants to show that underwear isn’t something to be embarrassed about, yet the other girls and teachers think she just wants to do perverted things- kind of like what you’re saying the show is about. It’s not.
Also there is no full molestation in Kodomo No Jinken. Her uncle gives her a hickey, he does not fondle her.
The people that say these things are extremely horrible do not watch the entire series they just look up the worst clips and show those and only those.
I’ve trekked my way through this issue to it’s source simply because I’ve lost many stories to read on manga hosting sites. Google has taken the step of forcing it’s ad-hosting sites to remove any suggestive drawings (underage or otherwise). The problem is that decent stories are lost in this purging. I have no big issue with the loss of lolicon or shotacon or any pre-prepubescent suggestive works (they’re creepy, but thee tags on sites help people avoid them) or any manga that seems to focus entirely on sex. These can go if you really want them gone. However, it’s in the removal of the others that the problem lies. Movies tend to have romantic scenes in them. Would you like to see an end to them as well? My issue lies in the fact that we are losing quality stories because of some fool with a eye-catching title of a news article forcing Google to action if it wants to keep a good image with right-wing conservatives.
Great two less things to live for, honestly my life was already miserable enough Mark T.T Let’s see what’s left..shoujo manga, shounen ai manga, youtube, and chocolate as I’ve had to cross yaoi and Google of the list (I broke up with Google when they hurt Mangafox like that). I mean honestly how could you not forsee this? Reminds me of WWI’s begining all these small countries were angry than they brought in the big countries to help then BAM you got yourself a huge war. Farewell yaoi my one true love.
Don’t think about what you don’t have. Think about what you do have. More free time! (your welcome)
This article has done some real serious damage…. You say that you don’t want anything banned … I’m not sure if you’re just stupid or anything but you should have at least anticipated something like this to happen, especially when you’re using an overly exaggerated title ‘Google Sponsors Child Pornography’. I mean come on..! You’ve certainly upset a lot of people, including me. And I don’t think this problem is easily reversed nor fixed.
Minors DO get warnings about these ‘mature’ explicit stuffs,(like mangafox) and it’s their decision to continue reading these mangas or not, but it’s not Google’s or any other site’s fault for putting ‘mature’
mangas which some people like to read.
Yes, you do have some point about google’s ToS, but this isn’t really what you would call ‘illegal child pornography’ is it…?
You’ve definitely have to prove your point more than this because THIS article is just plain unreasonable and does not benifit most people other than yourself…
I actually enjoyed your article. Yes, I was saddened to be unable to navigate my way to new uploads of yaoi manga, but hey, I know enough titles and have my own collection, so I can always re-read my favorites anywhere anytime.
I thought your article was very well done and as a lover of advertising, I can see the irony in a mis-placed commercial. I think a lot of those google-sponsored ads are those companies that pay people 5 cents an hour to plug in ads everywhere. Google subcontracts stuff like that, doesn’t it? Anyhow, good article, and I hope things get sorted out. By the way, yaoi fans, you can still get your dosage by downloading from donation-run sites like mangatraders or aarinfantasy. Drop a few bucks in while you’re there to keep the sites up.
“Sigh… I’m not right winger and I don’t want ANYTHING banned. What I want is for Google not to subjectively apply its TOS.”
Isn’t it rather childish to make this claim when you know full well that the end result would be censorship? Or did you think that these companies would simply pull thier ads while the websites hosting this content would go about business like normal? To claim that you’re simply acting as a vigilant net resident by identifying content that would possibly be deemed obscene borders upon ridiculousness.
Again not up to me. They could have kept everything and got rid of Google ads, same choice ever other website gets.
And I was expecting some amusing, radically heretical material under such a title as “Google Sponsors Child Pornography”.
How disappointing.
Honestly, what I’d like to know is whether the author held an intent to change something beyond having Google adhere to their TOS strictly. Rhetorical question, by the way.
By the way, I still don’t understand the difference between lolicon and 6-year old girls in two piece bikinis. With their parents cheering them on. And other creepy onlookers remarking how “adorable” they are. Both are clearly depicting children in a “sexual” manner.
here, let me share some facepalm to the autor
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ajnhaw.jpg
clearly sir you are the superior officer.
I have to admit I was really disappointed this morning when after finally finishing exams and having a minute to sit and read something other than a text book I find all my yaoi has been removed from my favourite site. Then I had to read through the forums which led me to this site.
I’ve read your article and I’ll be honest it pisses me off because the companies could care less about where there ads are being shown because really it is about money and nothing else, let’s not pretend that everyone is nice. But of course when someone makes a comment well then the companies have to worry about image, causing them to remove their endorsements, causing sites to lose funding, unless they meet the demands of the companies which of course they do because money makes the world go around.
My question for you is, why did you choose to follow through with this? I decided to read some of your other works after this and you don’t seem to mind sexual content. This posting almost seems to go against your previous opinions.
I don’t mind it it personally. In fact the article was fairly straightforward and mention only facts. I never used insulted manga readers or creators only Google. I simply used an extreme example to get my point across.
I think this article was completely inflammatory. The title, list of lolicon and shotacon mangas, list of specific websites that have lolicon and shotacon on them were all designed to outrage your reader. It was basically a witch hunt for you wasn’t it? “I’m not telling people what they can and can’t do to these people but they’re witches (child pornogrophers)” Your article was informative but it was in NO way unbiased. I personally have no interest whatsoever in lolicon or shotacon mangas but it was catastrophized by you and in turn was catastrophized by the websites you “reported”. And so now I’m fuming at you who turned adult themed mangas into a scandal. When in fact the only thing that needed to be done was send a few letters out to these companies letting them know that their advertisements were being misused.
Well then I’m sorry but I think your actions selfish and thoughtless. Saying you waited for a response from google and only using this as an example only proves that you did not think of the reprecussions your actions will have.
Manga sites have begun to remove all mature content from their sites, regardless of whether there is sexual content or not simply because they are being pressured. The humorous side of this is, is you are not going to gain anything from it. Google will continue its practices of not monitoring its own sites since that would require money and time they could spend elsewhere. They have learned nothing from this, the only people who are now going to suffer are the readers and the manga sites.
Saying you did not intend for this to happen is a cop out and a ridiculous excuse. What exactly were you expecting to happen when you cry child pornography?
Further, these sponsors don’t know a thing about manga or anime and will not bother to research it to find out. The only thing they’re concerned with is the phrase “google sponsors child porn”.
Speaking for the people is good, and is often necessary, which is good you do it, because I could care less myself. But next time use your head and think about whether or not you are actually going to help or just cause harm.
But your “facts” are all wrong. Google may be guilty of violating their own TOS, but everything you’ve listed doesn’t qualify as pornography. Other people have pointed out certain fictional materials are exempt from the Protect Act, but the Protect Act doesn’t even apply in any of these cases.
Movies like Pretty Baby that have underage nude scenes are sold legally in the US, because simple nudity or sexual situations are not enough to deem something “obscene” or “pornographic”.
(www.amazon.com/Pretty-Baby-Brooke-Shields/dp/B0000AUHQ6/)
It should be noted that the Dance in the Vampire Bund manga is also sold legally in the US for the same reason. (and even in Canada & the UK where free speech laws aren’t as strong).
Google is guilty of hypocrisy, but not of promoting child porn. It’s obvious you’re just trying to generate hysteria against Google by using heated language and inaccurate claims. In my book that makes just as disingenuous as they are.
If you really cared out the “facts” you’d change the title and content of the article.
And as I’ve already pointed out the protected acted was modified to focus of on obscenity, which in an of itself is illegal.
As for qualifying as pornography how about the big (censored) picture of a child masturbating!?
I thought I would add this as well.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00002256—-000-.html
The final line is significant enough “This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adult”.
Perhaps this definition needs to change as well, but at the moment it is wrong to accuse manga sites of distributing porn when they definitely are not. Most commentators have already stated that the law does not apply to drawings, but it’s hard to argue when the citation is right there to read.
If you wish to accuse google perhaps you should have started with asking what they mean by adult content before accusing them of sponsoring porn.
I have started a forum with google, anyone who wishes to add something I would definitely appreciate it.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/AdSense/thread?tid=4f5237ed32bbc4c9&hl=en&fid=4f5237ed32bbc4c9000484c9996d69af
oops sorry one more thing to add.
The tags of Lolicon & Shotacon are a very good thing for a manga site to have because it allows readers to avoid such subject matter if they so choose to do so (Which i find very useful). if you don’t have such tags then the only warning signs you have are the pictures or summaries at the start which can be vague and uninformative (that and you should Never judge a book by it’s cover). in short these tags can save you having to apply large amounts eye bleach.
“Again, no one is forcing anyone to delete anything, certainly not anything adult. If they do so it’s because they chose to in order to make money off Google ads.”
although I don’t know about the other sites, MangaFox and Onemanga are completely free sites and the companies who support them and pay for there domain names and space live and die by the money they make from advertising. so when Big Brother (ie. Google) comes and says that they will loose all advertising if they don’t comply the companies (NOT the actual sites) have two options:
1) say no – loose all funding – site can’t be maintained – site goes down – company goes under. EVERYONE LOOSES
2) say yes instantly and indiscriminately remove all possibly offensive content with a filter that cares not for the actual content – adverts are secure – site is left, bewildered, to deal with ensuing shit storm.
one last thing. The reason your article carried so much weight with Google was be cause of your title “Google Sponsors Child Pornography” get these words shouted loud enough and people will intently start to hate Google because that phrase can generate scandals of Religious proportions REGARDLESS of whether or not it’s true.
While I agree with you about kodomo no jikan being improper, and about dance in the vampire bund “when taken out of context” only it could be consider as a sexual act while there is no actual child in the anime/manga, you are somewhat exaggerating things about Chu-bra! About having child nudity and fondling in both manga & anime, the reason that its shown in both anime/manga it’s because the protagonist girl has acknowledge about correct methods for wearing underwear and styles of them taken from her grandmother, a recognized underwear designer and his brother i believe is a underwear designer too.
She makes a club about underwear while there is no sexual act or intention involved, in the series its teach how to wear bras for example and that wearing it wrong leads to breast problems, how female underwear are made and how to decorate them, and it cannot be considered along with kodomo no jinkan or vampire bund because there is no potential adult male involved in any sexual act, apparent or not.
As for omamori himari its too being exaggerated, while the demon girl you claim to be prepubescent that’s its not true, you are saying as if she had 10 or less years old while she is close to the age of the age protagonist its stated that she is clearly older than him, you are just taking things out of context.
And you are stating (its seems) that lolicon/shotacon in manga means sexual content between adults and a child or child pornography related, lolicon or shotacon non -hentai involved are mangas with absolute no virtual child pornography/sexual relations involved with the exception that if taken out of context it could be misunderstood by persons who dont know about what they are seeing just like vampire bund.
And while I agree with you that child/virtual child pornography (lolicon hentai) it’s a problem, but most of the sites that you are complaining about are non-hentai and non-porn related explicit sites, if you take mangafox for example, while all the mangas are accessible and if it has +16 or +18 content either because of violence or sexual acts(between adults) like the manga Love Lucky(about the life of a married couple between an idol and a business man, while there are sex scenes it’s not explicit and not remotely close to hentai) this one its considered to be adult because of the sexual acts involved, and while it can (now you cant) accessed by anyone, there is a warning about it because of its mature content, and then it’s not responsibility of the site if a minor decides to take a look, he accessed based on his own will against the rules of the site.
There is no way to know who is behind the computer and if you ask me, if a minor wants to see adult related stuff unless he is controlled by his/her parents he can with just a few clicks get on practically any adult related stuff that comes to mind.
I took the following info from http://www.animenation.net/blog/2010/04/01/ask-john-why-is-vampire-bund-being-censored/
Even though nothing sexual occurs between Akira and Mina in the Vampire Bund anime, if select still images or a particular few seconds of footage are excerpted from the episode, that out of context sample could appear to depict inappropriately sexual activity. In the second episode of Vampire Bund, Akira smears protective sunscreen lotion on Princess Mina’s nude body. Within the episode Akira clearly does so hesitantly and without any sexual intent. However, when perceived out of context, the scene only depicts a man caressing a girl child’s body in a way that could easily be considered sexual. The possibility of a non-sexual scene in Vampire Bund being taken out of context and misinterpreted as something it’s not seems, rationally, an absurd impossibility.
I believe that there should be targeted real and virtual child pornography sites and not to lose the time and do so much trouble with mangas with no explicit sexual acts trying to take out of context everything you see doing a whole mess on the net based on non-child pornography related stuff harming manga sites.
Congrats. You’re going down the net history as yet another crazy right-wing shemer trying to ban everything that’s going beyond light touching between a married, white couple (like all the consentual-homosexual-romance-between-adults-not-going-beyond-a-kiss you got banned – oh and pretending you didn’t know that’d happen would be silly. If you didn’t think it’d happen, you’re braindead, cause this has happened before, repeatedly).
Another victory for censorship.
Sigh… I’m not right winger and I don’t want ANYTHING banned. What I want is for Google not to subjectively apply its TOS.
Actually, the Protect Act has been deemed unconstitutional in regards to drawings and cartoons.
The Protect Act targets realistic photo-shopped images of under aged children. If you don’t know what that are then good for you!
The infamous lolicon mr. Handley was eventually penalized for violating obscenity laws but everything else was dropped.
He was a unfortunate, if lived just a bit closer to the coast, his collection would have passed the Miller’s test.
So the point of your article was just to point out the “hypocrisy in allowing sites with material that clearly violates Google’s ToS simply because they’re profitable”, well, that’s fine, but you cannot claim that you didn’t write it to be inflammatory and I don’t believe for one second you didn’t know what they’re reaction would be to an article titled “Google sponsors child pornography”. Also, from you’re responses to some of the comments and your “but I bet I got they’re attention now” leaves me with a sense that you did this more for your own satisfaction than the “hypocrisy” of Google. Could you really not have thought of a better way to get their attention and prove your point than something that would clearly cause a knee-jerk reaction and disappoint/outrage so many people?
Oh, and people, can we act like adults and not resort to casting curses?
Tried. I waited weeks for a response from Google before writing this.
Wow… I find it thoroughly fascinating that NOT ONE SINGLE COMMENT for this blog has been in support of you… Including this one. Should be a big red flag that maybe… just perhaps… you’re totally in the wrong here, big guy………..
So much for Miss Congeniality.
well i dont blame mark.it was google’s fault for not being aware.It would have been sooner or later that someone would have brought this to google’s attention,yet the way it happen so suddenly kind of surprised me though.It will just make those type of mangas harder to find now.I just hope that you who started this domino affect know and read the mangas (fully read),had thought about stuff much worst then this being uploaded to online manga sites.Because if you haven’t ,then it would look like you have a personal thing against sites that cater art for every ages (yes mangas are a form of art and not just full of mature content which you may think it is).Then again its not your fault that google made most of the sites ditch those pieces of art works to the curb because it didn’t comply with the ToS,but your fault does fall down on the fact that you put things on context and made it seem that mangas is purely pornography ,which is a one sided way of thinking.I feel sad for the person who feels that every movie,tv show,book,music,or manga that has any sexual hint in it would be categorize as pornographic.Just because it’s for mature audience does’nt mean that it should be label pornographic.If that was the authors intentions then it would have been labeled hentai( sexually explicit animation or comics).
Excuse me? But can we see the full message to Frito-Lay, Optimum, Aeria Games, Etc?
It seems we are missing some of the picture here. Obviously you had included there responses into your article. But what was the email you sent them? Just given a response proves little in this case does it not? I’m sure you’re not trying to withhold information, so I request kindly that we see the complete email.
Also, Not saying that your credibility is low, but frankly, I do not know you. How can we be sure that such responses are legit and that you yourself didn’t falsely accuse Google when you wrote them the email? Details are very important, as you must know.
The email I wrote them explained they were appearing on sites with lolicon and included a link to this post.
As far as how you know whether I’m “falsely accusing Google” that’s why the link were included, which have ads running either with the pictures in question of elsewhere on the same site.
“sites with lolicon”? the title of this article is child pornography which is different from lolicon. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/110/2256
*(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a
depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the
depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction
would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged
in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to
depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings
depicting minors or adults*
“Google’s TOS (or worse)”? I assume your trying to suggest worse as in ILLEGAL child pornography right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors
Another link for you, loli isn’t illegal you’re a psuedo intellectual who can’t back up your facts so you sling terms and laws you don’t even understand. You cite protect act, yet protect act has been updated because it was FAR to broad you can’t just say DRAWINGS are ILLEGAL if you claim they’re underage even if they’re stick figures, at least in the united states because you know the first amendment? I don’t know if your trying to be professional about your blogging in the sense you think you’ve got your facts straight and your trying to prove a point, but you falsely accused these people these people of having child pornography which is easily one of the WORST false claims you can bring against someone next to raping a small child.
Do you live in reality or are you mentally ill? those drawings aren’t *indistinguishable* because they’re not copies of real cp.
Not going to reply about how your falsely accusing lolicon material of being child pornography and illegal in the united states? are you trying to dodge reality of the situation or is this just a troll to fuck people over?
Reread the the law genius the Protect Act has been modified to require only that the image be obscene. Secondly as I’ve over and over I’m not tried nor am I banning anything, just making sure Google follows its on rules which ban ANY nudity, sex, etc.
You seemed to have misunderstood me, pardon, I did not make it clear. I never said you falsely accused google, only how can we ensure the replies from Companies are accurate?
“The email I wrote them explained they were appearing on sites with lolicon and included a link to this post.”
How so? I read through your entire article but I guess it seems I’m at a lost. Perhaps I just don’t understand, which is why I’m inquiring in further detail but I have failed to see these websites advertising these companies. Now I haven’t checked all of them and it very may be that they stopped paying for advertisement on those websites (Which I don’t understand why they’d pay for small time sites). I do understand that these manga hosting companies advertise on google’s search engine but the way you said that leads me to believe those companies themselves were advertising these websites, is that correct or am I mistaken? I’m only trying to get the picture of the situation, I hope you understand.
Most websites don’t deal directly with advertisers they sign up for ad programs, the biggest of which is Google adsense. In other words Google is basically a middleman in the process.
I like the way you think AnotherMindlessBody Why don’t we send those companies all of the comments sent to this page? It may give them pause to think. I buy a lot of their products I’m so upset by these turn of events I may just stop buying the products they offer.
Title google sponsors child pornography? No it isn’t lolicon isn’t child pornography there has already been a case that proves it isn’t defined as child pornography, so what the hell is the point of you alerting the sponsors to get the material plugged? you said your a hero earlier exactly how? you lied and said lolicon is child pornography which under the united states law it isn’t which has been PROVED already in past court cases. Let guess your going to cite protect act right? well just so you know the senator WROTE that bill was a fucking pedophile and quit the senate because the news broke he tried to talk a underage scribe into having sex with him.
The first circuit and the supreme court already cited DRAWINGS which aren’t retraces/based on REAL child pornography are fine. It really fucking lame you think your a hero because you thought you understood the law when you didn’t and cried pedophile child pornography! to exploit the fact no many people are aware of lolicon to sodomize people who haven’t done anything wrong..
Why would you make an example out of lolicon? Honestly you won’t get anyones attention except the people you bent over and sodomized by doing this…
Why would you get googles attention by sodomizing manga sites? I mean family image by frito-lay? um, does that mean if your a deviant you shouldn’t eat their product lol? Loli isn’t against the laws in the united states, case and point there was charged brought against someone with “obscene” lolicon martial, but they didn’t charge with for child pornography nor was he put on the sex offenders registry but instead charged with trafficking obscenity laws, which are broad and people who have sold hardcore anal pornography(adults)across state lines have also gotten slammed with that same charge.
Anyway you really didn’t do anything heroic instead you kicked sand in the face of the unpopular kid for what reason? to prove google lets people break their tos? guess what google contacted those sites and told them to pull the plug on ANY adult material, but what exactly was the point of that? saving the adults who are actually browsing the content from mistakenly clicking on frito-lays ad? Seriously what the hell was the point? The other sites still have ad-sense the only reason why they pulled the plug on the manga was cause loli is kinda in the gray in peoples minds who **DON’T** know the law. There is no law against lolicon manga, no it isn’t a loophole it talks about *re*traces of *real* child pornography being illegal that’s why it even mentions drawing at ALL so people couldn’t retrace REAL stuff and claim it’s okay because you know if they retrace REAL stuff, REAL children are harmed, were as if you draw/write a totally fictional story no one is harmed. Laws protect people not the idea of people NOR the “thought” crimes…
“But I bet I got their attention now.”
Uhmm, congratz? You’re doing this for the sole purpose of instant fame?
I’m not a fan of any of those genre, but there are actually some good mangas that banned because there’s slightly adult content inside it. Before you wrote anything, it helps if you actually know about what are you writing about.
Child Pornography: depiction of sexual intercourse between an adult and a minor in an explicit nature, meaning that you see the penis going inside the vagina.
You give the tag porn if the content of the media in question his all about explicit sexual intercourse and not how many viewers jerk them self.
Lolicon (Lolita complex/Pedophilia): Attraction of an adult toward a minor with or without sexual intent. Alone it means anything can happen, because lolicon = X. It’s a variable and it’s not porn to begin with.
You need to add another word to give it a fix definition.
[H-lolicon (Hentai Lolita complex): Fictional juvenile pornography.
S-lolicon (Superficial Lolita complex): An adult attracted to the child/early teen looking body of an adult women.]
If i see a naked picture of a women, does it become porn? No!
If i masturbate while watching the naked pic, does it become porn? No!
If a minor take a picture of him/herself naked, will the people considered as child pornography? Yes! Should they? No!!
Maybe some of you will say: Why do you make it sound like it’s complex. That’s because it’s suppose to be complex, not simple.
Today, it’s easy to call someone a pedophile and been right, as well as calling someone a pedophile and been wrong, and that’s dangerous because the moment you get tag as a pedophile, guilty or not, your life is over. The point i’m making is that we need to take the time to think and not rush our conclusions.
There’s a time for emotions and there’s a time for intelligence. Think twice before you act.
This part is for Gillette, Aeria Games, Frito-Lay and Optimum.
Based on the responses you fools gave for the article and after reading them, i can only assume that you folks never did your own investigation on the content of the websites you sponsored before this article. Second, i also assume that even after the article, you still did not do an investigation on the content of the websites you sponsored, but instead immediatly remove your ads from these websites (like mangafox) by solely relying on this article. If this is the case, the action that you folks have taken on these websites was completly unprofessional and unfair. You decided to go for the simple path, instead of the complex one. To make it clear, i’ll repeat it’s meaning. Child Pornography is a depiction of sexual intercourse between an adult and a minor in an explicit nature, meaning that you see the penis going inside the vagina. Do you get it?!
Thank you for protecting all those poor imaginary, fictional characters from their imaginary, fictional plights.
Let’s ban all those hundreds of movies and books depicting such disgusting criminal acts as murder, too.
Lol! I agree with you!
“I could have written the same article about Google partnering with websites like Gawker.com & PerezHilton.com, which have adult pornographic material, but that has already been pointed out by many already to no avail. But I bet I got their attention now.”
Well I guess that makes you some kind of hero now? Pat yourself on the back and throw a beer into your smug visage. You have saved the world from, um, stories? You should go ahead and warn Google that they Ad sense articles on Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita. That’ll Show’em.
Actually it kind of does make me a hero to all the webmasters that got banned without a second glance because they weren’t “big” websites.
look bro, i get what yer saying and all, but seriously ? you’ve messed shit up for aloooot of people . on popular manga websites, anything with a mature rating is being bumped off the site. sure, its their fault for taking it off, but honestly bro? you started the shitcakes by putting them in the oven to bake. like, this whole article, is bull. its frigging anime. if it were real children in real circumstances, then sure, but some of the shotacon you see is so unrealistic you cant even take it seriously! or maybe it has an ACTUAL STORYLINE. you’ve created an INCREDIBLY LARGE bias here, and its fucking with alot of people . thanks to you, things that im sure you wouldnt find bad such as yuri, yaoi, even 18+ VIOLENCE is being taken off the web. seriously man, you’ve fucked up .
Aww damn, why don’t ppl like you mind their own business?
I mean if ppl are having fun kicking around a teddy bear wtf does it have to do with animal cruelty? See thats the same thing as masturbating while reading loli. lol
Now all my 18+ erotic mangas have dissapeared… forever :(
Curse you and all your family, may sickness and depression fall onto the ones you love dearly.
Again, no one is forcing anyone to delete anything, certainly not anything adult. If they do so it’s because they chose to in order to make money off Google ads. Regardless Lolicon and the like isn’t going anywhere except maybe lesser known (non-Google supported) websites, which will now see an influx of new visitors.
Good lord, this is the stupedist thing I’ve ever read. Here’s something for you. Go look up “Guro” in Google images and tell me which one is worse.
So yeah, bring back my manga. Some of us actually read for the story instead of ogling at all of the pretty little children that somehow DON’T ACTUALLY EXIST.
Wow, this is bull shit, just because the higher ups & the bigdogs run the plays in this country, WHY do we have to pay? we need to bann together, March on washington, For the legalization of lolicon!! any one who is with me, Go to
http://www.E-hentai.org [go to Ex-hentai.org for lolicon] & PM me, My username is Rob3rt,[invite all your friends too] & i am a lolicon, I am sick of this country toying with us, threatening us, blaming us, Its now or never. I see a Bight future on the horizon, & only we can see it through. together WE can overcome, we can win! who is with me?
You have caused so much damage!!! Because of your stupid little insignificant article, Google has forced Mangafox to delete not only their shota and loli (which I agree with you on btw), but now all adult manga too. No more yaoi. No more yuri. No more 18+ stories for violence. Good for you, what’s next on your do do list?
If it is such a “stupid little insignificant article” as you say I don’t see how it accomplished anything. Besides no one is forcing them, they are doing it themselves to be in compliance with Google TOS, as they should since everyone else does. Although most websites don’t get such second chances.
As for what’s next, I was thinking about getting anthropomorphic cartoons like Looney Tunes banned for bestiality.
Im not entirely agreeing on your statement that Mangafox has removed those manga themselves. http://forums.mangafox.com/showthread.php?t=164426
second question id like to ask: have you ever seriously read any of those manga with lolicon in em.. i mean cmon.. you aint goin to say people are pedophiles when they are on the beach watching little kids play (who often dont wear a thing or wear swimsuits). look i get it if you say manga witch contain child porn have to be banned, but like the first one you used in this article, some actually contain a story wich lots of people like to read, not for the naked little kid, but actually for the story itself..
oh and well id like to thank you, cuz thanks to this article Mangafox ended up removing ALL manga containing adult subjects.
Seriously why do you hate manga lovers, for real. as toni saidm this article has done alot more damage than you think.
see answer below
Quite a shitstorm was released honestly I’m not supporting you since the laws aren’t in favour cept in the UK.
Also I read some of the manga links looks clean to me just that page then its back into the plot links were taken out of context.
Also the crunchyroll one I don’t think that would qualify under picture or image white blur and audio
Christ man, do you realize how much damage you’ve done just to prove a stupid point?
Everyone already knows Google is evil, if you’ve got a grudge with them leave the rest of the internet out of it.
I did leave the rest of the internet out of it. I could have named lots of other ad companies besides Google sponsoring these sites but I didn’t.
Thank you for the links! Ever more to add to my growing collection.
I heard about this article on deviantART and was thoroughly shocked. Although, probably not for the reason you think.
I’m an avid reader of manga and I watch a lot of anime. I’m a 16 year old girl, and, it may surprise people to hear, my favourite genre is yaoi. For those unfamiliar with the term, yaoi manga/anime contains usually explicit sexual content between two males. I can’t get enough of it.
Now, before anyone judges me too harshly, there are many many other people like me out there, from both sexes. I have heard this proposed ‘censorship’ would extend to the yaoi genre, as well as yuri, ecchi, lolicon and shotacon. I’d like to know if this is true. Secondly, I don’t condone child pornography in any way. It is wrong and we should be doing all we can to stop it. However, I believe there are limits. Entitling the article “Google sponsors Child Pornography” was not the correct choice for one. The particular manga/anime listed are, although shota/lolicon, in fact someone’s art. I don’t think for one minute that the artists, writers, translators etc intended their work to be deemed ‘child pornography’.
I also don’t think Google have done anything wrong. Have you ever turned SafeSearch off? There are all sorts of things to be found in the depths of the internet, regrettably much more explicit and disturbing than shotacon manga.
Like yaoi, there are many fans of these ‘offending’ genres, or else why would it be written? And, before you jump to any conclusions, I’d bet a lot of money that they’re normal people with an interest in a particular genre of story. I certainly am. Should people be punished for their preferences?
I’ve already said I don’t condone the abuse of children in any way, but manga is an art form in which characters generally look very young, to portray them as innocent and kawaii (Japanese for ‘cute’), not to advertise child nudity.
I’m sorry for the rant, but I don’t think you should condemn an entire genre of manga/anime and the people who love it. I don’t believe lolicon/shotacon is intended to serve as ‘child abuse’. There is something for everyone in this world, although you might not appreciate the more sexual manga/anime, there are people who do. I do understand the seriousness and danger of the internet and child pornography, but I think that, with the correct filters, not bans or censors, true fans should be able to enjoy a much-loved art form without persecution.
“While no actual children are involved, these images are still considered illegal under the United States’ Protect Act”
Not quite. The Protect Act imposes harsher penalties for non-photographic “obscene depictions of minors” than for ordinary non-photographic obscenity, but a drawing/painting/animation of a minor is only illegal if a jury finds it to be obscene under the Miller test. Non-obscene, non-photographic sexual material involving minors is legal.
In general, depictions that do not involve explicit sex are rarely found obscene, so the titles that you mentioned are unlikely to fall under the provisions of the Protect act.
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256—-000-.html
at the very bottom:
(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.
So whoever wrote this just got anything with an even slight mature rating removed from a lot of manga scan sites that google advertises on. Removing the child porn ones is fine but a lot of actual good work out there just got blasted.
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This is the stupidest crap ever.
You guys picked the worst parts of the manga. Not all of it consists of nude pictures of kids. Especially “Dance in the Vampire Bund”. The vampire girl is not entirely a kid for the whole manga. If you idiots would sit down and try to read it you find that it has a very good plot. You didn’t even get the plot of Kodomo No Jikan right. The little girl is interested in the teacher but the teacher wants to have nothing to do with it. The father figure doesn’t want to marry the little girl, he sees her mother in her and became attached. The little girl is the one who says she’ll marry him. He just said ok because she’s still a kid. You guys make all this manga sound like these people are raping kids.
People who read manga are teens and when we see ads we aren’t paying attention to it. Disney’s add was coincidence. All sorts of ads come up randomly. You blowing out of proportion. (Like most ignorant Americans who don’t know what they are talking about.)
I understand that you don’t like things like that but others do. Really its all just lines that can be colorfull on a peice of paper, anime is the same way. it doesn’t concern a real child in any way, its pertend like fiction. so i’m just saying its not really child pornography.
I must say that a lot os mwhat is said on this page regarding the diferent animes/mangas are very wrong, (may contain spoilers)
some examples is that Mina Tèpes in DitVB is about 200 years old or so but harbors the body of a child (when not in her true form) so the story is not about a prepubescent vampire in love with a 17-year-old werewolf but a adult vampire traped in a prepubescent body.
and regarding KnJ there is no stephfather in the picture but a cousin who wants to merry her when she comes of age. the 3rd grader seas her cusins problems and turns to her teacher for help in a most bizzare way and also there exist no real molestation in KnJ.
I have not watched or read Chu-bra or Omamori Himari so i can not say if what is writen about it has any solid ground or not.
I hate it when somebody posts about something they know nothing about. Have you ever read more than 1 lolicon/Shotacon? Clearly not. Most are just really beautiful stories. Pity you are ripping down some of the best mangakas works.
While it may be true that these tittles are ‘openly’ categorized as “lolicon” and “shotacon” but that does not mean that all such manga are “child pornography”.
“lolicon” and “shotacon” are terms which describe a much broader genre than “child pornography”. To label them as such based on their genre classification alone is ignorant.
My comment that was waiting for moderation was erased, as It wasnt containing any insult more than “I hate all This” Im deeply moved by anger. While now I know the people would call me Pedophile for like Dance in the Vampire Bound and Kodomo no Jikan. But I would not stop reading them and I wont give up neither the ones who stand by me, Internet is infinite and we will spawn more scanlations till this prohibition is over, the Dry Law is not going to stop us, cause we wont destroy anything but create till infinitum and our concience is clear and in peace.
Good evening from the planet GONG, god loves yo, bye bye
These aren’t as bad as you’re making them out to be. They’re only drawings, which is a hell of a lot better than actual child pornography.
These are just a form of ‘art’ and should be allowed under the right to free speech.
Just wanted to say, Kodomo No Jikan in no way involves the step father wanting to marry his step-daughter.
In fact, going one step further, he isn’t technically her stepfather at all.
Being so blatantly uneducated about that would lead me to believe there are other false statements here.
heres my comment…..fuck you..fuck all of you who pretend to know anything about lolicon or w/e fact of the matter is the only one listed that could be deemed child pornography is Kodomo No Jikan, the rest arent even close,man your so danm ignorant, Lets get a few things clear shall we?
1, “Dance in the Vampire Bund” This can not nor should it be deemed child pornography because the children in question do not exist nor are they under aged appear so as they may nor are they being exploited, unless of course your under the impression that they do exist in which case you should check yourself into a mental hospital,in short drawn characters are immune to child pornography laws because those cover CHILDREN as in unless the character is specified to be underage(ie Kodomo no JIkan) it dosent count in fact the two characters in question Shizuku from Omamori Himari and Mina from Dance in the Vampire Bund are well over 100 years old CLEARLY specified, also under US Law if the Title has artistic and literary value it is exempt from said laws
2, Omamori Himari is not Lolicon
what is lolicon? in short child pornography, is that Omamori Himari? no….at no point is any character engaging in sexually explicit actions you sir need to get your head out of the gutter her reasons for your so called “dry humping” is explained quite well if anyones a pedophile here its you for making such connections
so in short Omamori Himari and Dance in the Vampire Bund are neither Lolicon nor porn of any kind
raise the “child nudity” and “dry humping” flag all you like dosent change the facts, bring up the “they are portrayed as children” flag all you like dosent change the fact that both characters have a reason for such(heres a bit of irony for you Mina from Dance in the vampire bund is in a child form to avoid sex of any kind she is a pure blooded vampire so her offspring are vauleable that is why she takes the form of a child) hell you probly wont even read this but i dont care you are an ignorant vulture who feeds off moral battles such as these your the lowest form of life, so go ahead bring your “research” and your “articals” but we will beat you down everytime, go read a book my freind i recomend Fahrenheit 451 zealous censorship is unhealthy
I deeply hate all this, and hope I still can read Dance in The Vampire Bound and Kodomo no Jikan without getting busted or being called a pedo.
Any way The Catholic church was involved in a large case of pedophilia and I didnt hear about manga or anime involved, but Homosexuality and Chastity, bouth being dismissed as causes for pedophile. And if is a Disease I doubt censorship would be a cure
I fail to see how a fantasy cartoon can be considered child pornography. because, Vampires do not exist, and the characters do not exist in reality, therefore the Protection act needs to be adjusted because it is not protecting the fictional characters, because last time I checked FICTIONAL CHARACTERS DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS!!! so the only thing this is doing is infringing on the first amendment rights of the creators and robbing anime fans of a good story. I understand how the material can be offensive to some, my advice to them is to simply shut up and not view it.
Looks like the United States Protect act needs to change before someone gets arrested for child pornography and gets killed in prison, just because they watched a cartoon. There is a difference between illegal and wrong, and watching a fictional underage character perform acts of sexual nature, is not wrong since they do not exist, if a law doesn’t acknowledge the difference between fiction and reality, than the law is wrong, and needs to be fixed. Getting in trouble for watching a fictional lolicon cartoon, is the same as getting in trouble for killing fictional videogame characters.
I am commenting to state that the religious situation is simply getting out of hand. Because of this one site thousands of anime and manga are being deleted across the internet.
This is a blatant disregard for the thousands of man hours that have gone into making these anime child friendly and keeping in line with american law.
We as Americans should not foster our own religious intolerance on Japanese anime. We must all come to the table of compromise and not simply demand that our beliefs and stigmas be respected above the designers and artists.
These anime are already being censored appropriately as well as a clear age limit being established for the anime in question.
America can NOT decide what Japan is allowed to print or post online and you should be ashamed to suggest it.
I advise everyone who reads this article to watch these anime for yourself and see that they have all been appropriately content rated and censored.
This is utter bull shit… YOU PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK UP THE LAWS REGARDING THIS… I have never seen this much shit wrapped up into one since that company sued nintendo for ‘copyrighting’ their controller, you have one fucked up head, I hate using that word, but it is the only true word that can describe this shit. And this material is from JAPAN not the USA you dick, there are different laws regarding this shit and oh look! you guys have a review on one of the mangas mentioned in this article! THAT MUST MEAN YOU GUYS SPONSOR CHILD PORN TOO!!!! Seriously you paranoid dick heads. Also you have not put up proper copyright tags on your pictures, therefore, all I’d have to do is call up one of the companies who owns this shit, and instantly you’ll be sued. This place has more bull than Washington D.C. May you and all who agree with you burn in the severe depths of hell as you scream for mercy. (I have never cursed this much in my life… EVER!!!)
If you can’t distinguish between real life and a drawing, then I fear you need to be thrown into a mental institute.
A drawing cannot be a victim, and the idea that loli leads people to the real stuff its absolutely NOT proven by any statistics, if anything its the complete opposite. Last I checked almost NONE of the material breaks the “4th wall”
The religion driven nutcases need to GTFO the internet and keep their faces jammed in their “bibles.”
Freedom of expression, learn what that is folks. A drawing is just a thought on paper. Don’t like it? Don’t look at it, nobody is forcing you.
Whats next, war depictions?
This is the most hilarious thing I’ve read in days. Bravo
You sir are a reactionary moron. Do you have any idea of how adsense works? You’re making a huge fuss over this like the companies that use adsense to advertise directly acknowledge and tolerate the ad placement.
The amount of people who cant tell the difference between a fantasy world and reality astounds me… and while its not 100% helpful of me to say, ill say it anyway: each person who switches from CP to LOLI saves another child (after all when you get CP your paying someone, they see a market and they continue on and do more CP)
you can argue all you want, but its a SUPPLY and DEMAND world, laws or not… (also its a world full of stupidity, think ACTA)
in the making of CP children are lost, in the making of LOLI or related types (tentacle rape FTW) only PAPER/Bandwidth is lost!
And also
These mangas are DRAWINGS! NO real children are being abused or mistreated. It i that was the case then maybe we’d have a conversation, but since this isn’t even the case this article is ridiculous.
If you find this offensive, then we better remove all those Renaissance paintings of naked children women and angels, because hey, DRAWINGS of “child pornography” is wrong right? >.>
Companies don’t care about where their advertising dollars go, on the internet? Anime and Manga… are different from American values? It’s almost like they came from… a different country!
USA’s policy is dictatorial. They should put their effort into the analysis of violent content rather than sexual content. That obsession with removing sex from the children’s sights is the result of the adults dirty minds. It happened all the time during the spanish dictatorship
Is this a joke? No, seriously. You reviewed Kodomo no Jikan on this very blog, which here you claim to be child pornography.
The fact is that none of the four series you single out would be deemed illegal by US law. They may contain mild sexualization of minors, but simple sexualizaton isn’t what’s illegal. It needs to also lack any kind of artistic merit and be intended solely for erotic purposes (to simplify it slightly) as decided by a panel of judges. Since these series all have stories and are generally held in relatively high regard for entertainment or comedic value… I have my doubts that that would happen. I don’t know about UK law, but by US law they’re fine.
I’m not sure if it was your intention or if you just wanted to write a sensationalist article for attention, but this post has caused numerous sites to take down a good deal of their non-erotic material (never mind that EVERYTHING they host already violates copyright law, but I guess that’s unimportant when one considers the VILE HORRORS OF THE SEXUALIZATION OF MINORS).
This is a damn witch hunt. Thanks to Google weak approach on this matter sites have taken off the MAJORITY of their mature mangas, not just the extreme examples mentioned in the article.
What Google is doing is a slap in the face to freedom of choice and the censorship it claims to fight.
Hey, look Amazon even sells child pornography:
http://www.amazon.com/Lolita-James-Mason/dp/B000UJ48VI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1271508969&sr=8-3
http://www.amazon.com/Lolita-Popular-Penguins-Vladimir-Nabokov/dp/0141037431/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271508969&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Lolita-Complete-Unabridged-Vladimir-Nabokov/dp/B000M6CXKC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271508969&sr=8-10
And FYI Dance in the Vampire Bund is on all major video servers, like for example MySpace.
So how about you take your outrage and go protest something that actually happens in the real world. ?
Because honestly, people that are sexually excited by drawn images, because that is what you’re implying here -even I don’t think the examples you’re harping about are particlaur good or even valid examples for this-, should be pretty much on the bottom of the priority list for “Things mankind needs to address”. If anything most of these person should die off without leaving significant amounts of offspring so it should solve itself in the next few generations.
If you’re really primarily concerned with child welfare you should focus on the slum children in the Far East and not just because they are real and targeted by real predators instead of the pretend variety that lust over cartoons.
Or maybe on the general absymal state of orphanages in the former Soviet republics.
There are so many child related issues you could focus on in the real world but you chose to champion the cause of the imaginary. Real classy.
Dude, this troll post isn’t funny at all.
9/10 though, you got the people on /a/ all worked up.
im sure you have already received many hate emails about your wrongful allegations to such sites and content. just to reiterate what someone may have said, anime and manga is not real. its fiction. for example at any point in the stories a magic dinosaur can pop out of a spaceship and change the entire story. would this happen in real life? highly unlikely. and if you notice on these such sites, they all have additional content to their site aside from what you call “child pornography”. google advertises everywhere. its unavoidable. im sure if you did a search for real cp, found it, you may see a link to another (adult) site, and that would have a google and/or other various adds, meaning google indirectly funds the exploitation of children. what im getting at is anime and manga is part or another country’s culture. you cant be raceist agenst it. i personally read Kodomo No Jikan because its a “slice of life” story. what does that mean? that means its about the development of a screwed up family into something normal by one mans hard work. does that sound illegal? no. Dance in the VAMPIRE Bund is also obviously fiction, with a thousand year old “child” who is the queen of the vampires and a werewolf bodyguard. is there affection in this relationship? yes, but its master/servant. kira has a double (female) who is his real partner.
the sites that host these titles sell page space to companies to keep the sight functioning. the only conspiracy here is how big businesses control our lives and government. lay off the anime and let people who appreciate art and culture enjoy them.
His Almighty American God Save The Imaginary Children! Think Of The Chilren!!
I’m gonna go ahead and agree with the most likely hundreds of comments that are being moderated: What the hell, man? Seriously, what the hell.
Also, if you’re going to make an attack like this, at least have the balls to post responses that people make.
How is any of that porn? Is there any sex shown in even one of those titles you mentioned?
You don’t even know why child porn is illegal, do you? It’s not because “OMG!!! CHILDREN ARE BEING SEXUALIZED!!!111” It’s because it’s child abuse. Drawings of fictional children? Not child abuse. Previous attempts to ban this have been ruled unconstitutional in the US. The current law will meet the same fate once a case goes to the supreme court.
Plus, have you ever, just once, stopped to think what making possessing drawings of non-existent children punishable on the same level as actual pictures of real children being abused would mean? In such a case why should a pedophile limit himself? If the penalty is the same, why not go for the real thing? All you’re fake moral outrage over drawings is going to do is result in more children being victims of real abuse. You may not think so, and I’m sure that isn’t the intention, but things have a way of working out opposite the the initial intent.
Of course I’m sure this comment isn’t likely to be shown, and if it is it’ll either be promptly deleted or you’ll resort to calling me a pedophile for defending free speech.
WE MUST PROTECT THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN
GIVE US LOLI OR GIVE US DEATH.
What is this.. I don’t Even.
I like how the author failed to point out in Every one of those mentioned Anime/Manga said female was actually much older than she appeared. Except for Kodomo no Jikan and possible Chu-Bra!!… Which does kinda push it. In all honesty I can simply say “da fuck” and can’t wait for my comment to be deleted. I guess now I’ll go prey on real children and blame you when I’m possibly jailed for something out of my control. Instead about whining about “prepubescent girls” why not demand equal justice and demand a young boy be raped by an orgy of tentacles. This way we all get along and no one if hurt. Except the Liberal who wrote this seeking his 5 minutes of Trollin fame. gg I applaud you on that, just trying to piss us off and it worked. ………………………………… wow did i really just waste 5 minutes typing this shit out?
In my opinion, youre being a narrow-minded person who cant accept that in different cultures, different things are acceptable. But pulling it off the internet for the people who actually care to read/watch these but have no other source rather than the internet because of America and the UK act that would make it so they wont license it in English, is completely wrong. This is just simply how things are and ruining peoples free-time entertainment because you dont like it makes it annoying for others. I personally liked Kodomo no Jikan’s manga for the plot, the lolicon truthfully holds no interest for me, albeit funny at times. Chu-Bra! wasnt for the purpose of lolicon, it was actually showing a plot through konwing the benefits of undergarmets for humans through certain ages. Your statement about Dance In The Vampire Bund also seems to be quick, since you obviously had no problem with the nudity of her adult form. Also with Mina being a vampire, although her form was of the child, she was still much older than that. Omamori Himari has the same case also with the ‘prepubescent girl’ being a demon and much older for her age. Also bringing in the forum of Grand Fantasia would be the users content, not the actual company.
u know that dance in the vampire bud is published in North America, get your facts right before you open your mouth.
Lol, I didn’t even knew there’s publicity on those sites. Your AdBlock filter is failing.
….seriously?
Ok, I will admit Kodomo No Jikan is pretty messed up, and there are a few shota/loli’s that are just wrong, but no actual children are being harmed with this. I’m not saying that people who get off on that kind of stuff aren’t totally disgusting (they are), but there are some shotas/lolis that are actually really good and have a heartwarming plot. I think tattling like this is just stupid. If you don’t like it, don’t read it, it’s really simple. Leave the Anime Lovers alone and find something else to rant about. Deal with the REAL child porn in America before worrying about art. :/
Exactly what possessed you to even look for these? I’d think of the real pervert as the one who searches “lolicon” and “shotacon” and gaining so much information on them.
Also, after Googling “Dance in the Vampire Bund”, I found out the “child” is actually much older than you and I. :|
Why is everyone stressing over cartoons and what on earth happened to caring for real children….?
you know that there is also the right of freedom
this stuff doesn´t really hurt anybody it´s just an imaginay thing !!!
and sepecially on these sites it is about the sory not anything ELSE it just explains everyday life and problems … i appreciate every thoght of anybody but THINK first please
I think you need to clarify now just what stance your taking. Not that it matters because no matter what standpoint you take, you are a misguided idiot who is poking his nose where it isn’t wanted.
Is this an attack on Japanese manga and anime? If so you must understand that “the United States’ Protect Act” doesn’t apply to Japan. ‘Lolicon’ is completely legal in its country of origin and the Japanese Gov have no need or requirement to justify or explain their laws to you. The same for other material coming out of their country including various ‘gore and rape’ games which have been circulating on the American news recently.
As with all things circulated on the internet, it’s up to the USA/UK to control the flow of such material into their country. Its your own Gov’s responsibility.
As for Google, if the sponsoring company has a problem with having their advertisements on the same pages as said content then they can bring that issue up with Google themselves. The legality of the material doesn’t apply to Google in the slightest; they are not to blame for what the sites themselves host. The only thing that might adversely affect Google is nosy, intolerant and frankly quite dense people like you destroying their public image.
Highly blown out of proportion. I don’t care for the lolicon or shotacon stuff. But now a lot of people are suffering because of a few misplaced tags. Thank you world for ruining it again.
So what? Lolicon doesn’t hurt anyone.
This is really anal. Mark Putnam obviously doesn’t like this kind of art but yet he certainly put in enough time and effort to watch and read it in order to actually post as many offending links as possible. I mean come on direct links to individual pages of Dance in the Vampire Bund?
Question for you: Why can’t people who don’t like this kind of stuff just leave the rest of us who do, alone? No you have to ruin it for everyone. It’s art not real live child porn. Instead of wasting your time on artwork, which as an art student I can tell you that nudity and sexuality in art has been prevalent since time immemorial, (some love it, some hate it, get over it) how about going after actual child porn sites? You know the ones that rape and maim and often kill REAL children? Those of us who are reading these series often are doing so for the value of the art and storylines not for the porno (or if they are reading for the kicks they’re masturbating on their own. Seriously many anime and manga fans have very pathetic lives and we often joke about it). Hey and guess what? Search Google using the keywords “manga anime fan rapes child” you WILL NOT find any legitimate cases of anime/manga fans being convicted of being child rapists. Oh sure you’ll find plenty about the Handley case (bullshit right there) and others like him jailed for having sexually explicit manga depicting children but there is absolutely no evidence it seems to suggest that people who read manga with children in sexual activities are actually going to harm a child or view real child porn. You’ll find most of us in the fan communities are in agreement that art is art but raping children (real ones) is WRONG. Furthermore what about Hollywood movies that depict underage rape? Sometimes it’s not always in a completely distasteful light. Oh and I can garentee you’ll find a lot worse than what’s found in manga through the study of art and old literature (greek, roman, most Medieval & Renaissance artists and writers, etc etc.) A standard high school education would expose teens to Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet and for the reading illiterate out there I’ll remind you that Juliet was only 13 with a 16 year old Romeo and yes they had sex. Does that make it wrong? Should Shakespeare be taken out of the curriculum? Most would argue no because Shakespeare is classical literature at it’s finest and because most would argue that Shakespeare’s story depicts a time far removed from our current society. But I would similarly argue that manga is japanese and therefore we should not try to trust our standards of society upon works of art that are not our own. Also shouldn’t it be encouraged to understand the cultural thinking of other countries through the study of art and language? Who knows world peace could be achieved if we’d all try to understand each other and give everyone their space and not always fighting each other about our differences in opinion. If there was a law banning everything that any one person didn’t like well we’d all be criminals multiple times over. I’d like to ask everyone out there to please just leave the anime community alone. We’re not criminals and we’re not harming society. I’d like anyone who wants to attack anime and manga to sit back and ask themselves how they would feel if your favorite past-time or relaxation method or your vice was taken from you and labeled illegal. If for example you’re a smoker and suddenly you’re a criminal if you smoke? Would you still try to find a way to smoke illegally? Now first of all smoking is of course rather dangerous for the person partaking of the past-time (reading sexual manga is dangerous to health? umm I think not.) Anyways the point is that even if your personal vice or relaxation past-time is dangerous like smoking and alcohol or safe as swimming or cuddling with your sweetheart, isn’t it really mean to try to take something like that away from other people just because you don’t approve of it? Is it really harming YOU, personally? physically? that other people are reading manga with sexual depictions of children? Is it harming others in any personal or physical way? I’d say the research points to no, but people just want to point the blame finger (violence in video games makes people violent? umm, no some people are just crazy and would do violent things whether playing games or reading books about Nazi torture devices) or try to remove something because it makes THEM uncomfortable. I say once again if you don’t like something then ignore it, no one is forcing you to go through and read and watch this stuff in order to slanderize it.
Bah I’m done ranting it’s not like anyone will pay any attention or really think about my logic anyways. What do I know I’m just another anime manga fan who wants to continue enjoying my “child porn” I’m a fan of Dance in the Vampire Bund because of the story and if you took the time to look through the manga (obviously you did) you’d realize that the little girl, Mina is hiding her true form which is that of an adult woman. But nothing to dispute on the other series mentioned here, I read those as well and descriptions have them pegged pretty well (in a poor light but accurate none-the-less). Still I don’t see where I’m hurting anyone by reading these manga, I don’t have any thoughts of going out and raping a kid. Other fans are the same so just leave us alone. It’s really annoying deal with this crap constantly from people who just don’t understand or want to understand so they want to remove it.
If you think any of those series are pornography, then apparently you’ve never actually watched porn.
por·nog·ra·phy – (pôr-nŏg’rə-fē):
1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
From: The American Heritage Dictionary
I also believe that by American law, a qualifying characteristic is a lack of artistic merit.
Based on these points, you can maybe make the case that Chu-Bra qualifies (since it’s arguably a pretty stupid, pointless series), but to call any of the others pornography is laughable, and frankly, insulting.
Omamori Himari and Dance in the Vampire Bund are no more pornography than any movie you can see in a theater with nudity and/or a sex scene, Kodomo no Jikan no more so Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita.
Furthermore, what gives you the right to arbitrarily decide what does or doesn’t constitute pornography and go on a moral crusade based on that?
Darn this censorship. You don’t even know what you’re really censoring. FYI, not all shotacons and lolicons are sexually explicit! There different variety in a manga. Why should you who doesn’t know much about it must decide the fate of those manga? I mean who the hell tag Kaichou wa maid sama as lolicon for just one page that isn’t even explicit? There are also shoujo shotacons that isn’t even mature.It’s just pure lovey dovey with a high school girl and younger boy. And there are yaoi manga like “Complex” that got taken away just because of two chapters? Research those manga and read them for yourself. Be sure to finish reading them before censoring them!
okay i don’t know Chu-Bra!!
but i do know that kodomo no jikin was almost released in the states and was not canceled for legal reasons. Omamori Himari on the other hand is in english and is translated buy yen press a well known publisher of non hentai manga. as for dance in the vampire bund by seven seas i have in fact gone to my local Borders and purchased books one through six. a good read full of political intrigue that is of course if you don’t mind Mina a 300+ vampire looking like a child an actual plot point. and believe it or not
lolicon and shotacon are not illegal in the states see
U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 2256
“This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults. ”
I hope this helps clarify things.
Thank you for finding this law and posting it here. You are my hero. I wish all who are on the internet are as intelligent as you are.
……Im not quite sure how to feel about all of this. I don’t really care about Lolicon at all but… You have single handedly had my yaoi removed. And that sir is unacceptable. Like others have said to this article, maybe you spent what a hour on. Has not done anything the only thing it has done is remove every manga that was over pg-13. That includes horror, romance, yaoi, yuri, action and fantasy. I am 23 years old and if i want to read a romance with nudity or porn, or guys getting it on. I better damn well be able to read it.
Do you even read or watch anime? I like how you try to shift blame on to others.. Oh its not up to me waaahha whaa. But your the cause. So you are the epicenter. So there for its your fault. Take responsibility for your actions. If you don’t then why bother writing this article?
I’d like to complain about the company’s ads.. they give me viruses and are extremely annoying like those talking ads. Especially when there are two at the same time… maybe you could write a article about that next?
LOL… take responsibility for other websites breaking TOS… HAHAHA!!!!
You can’t exactly list Kodomo No Jikan as something created for pedophiles by some old guy.
It’s actually a first-person recounting of the author(who is the little girl)’s affection for her teacher at that age.
Man, it’s DRAWN Characters, not a Real Kids
So, Use Your Mind :-)
Seems like there are people who can’t distinguish anime/manga from reality.
Lolicon isn’t child pornography because it doesn’t contain a REAL CHILD.
I should also point out that these aren’t illegal under the Protect Act. They are illegal under the Patriot act. Again you should research more.
I’m confused, you claim that this material is bad based on your moral judgment, but this material is seen by not only countless people but countless countries as well. So by pushing for things of this nature you are actually pushing your beliefs on to countless other people who don’t share your particular moral opinion. To truly understand the genre you should do a little research on it. The age of consent in japan and many other countries for that matter is 13. In essence many of these so called lolicon or shotocon manga deal with not only people old enough to legally have sex but old enough to marry under there governments laws and regulations. That aside your attack on google is completely unfounded. Google is a multinational institute. And your idea to censor google just because you don’t agree with the idea of a particular genre of a particular form of literature is offensive and appalling. And people like you wonder, why the rest of the world hates Americans.
its just ANIME! its not real kids and its only art! most loli like vampire ones arent even underaged girls.America needs to pull the stick out of their asses and should just deal with the fact that its not harmful to real kids and there by should not be illigal. Only ones I do agree are wrong are the rape loli and shota, but the romance ones are fine. I bet your probably just a over religious idiot that doesnt understand that it is just cartoons and need to move on with the times. Anime is anime, not real, so just get over yourself from trying to find something to complain about you fool. I also think i read theres a line between legal and illegal in shota and loli.
is this suppose to be satire telling people not to go to those sites or are you using sarcasm ?? I like some of those series but yeah, that’s just me after all